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[Nazgûl]

No I said a NEW fortress would be modeled by TT; fit for ANY map. The "Golden Hall" model would be a nromal structure in the Edoras map only... but not the fortress itself. Also, the REAL golden hall is already modeled by TT for the Edoras map, looking exactly like this:

[khamulrulz]

misunderstanding... my bad

so it's confirmed then right, that rohan will be in 4.8?

[wiseceleborn]

i hope you add more heroes to motw ex gamling hama damrod and the other
sorry for my bad english

[Nazgûl]

so it's confirmed then right, that rohan will be in 4.8?

Well, no more than I'd LIKE it that way. However, I'm very much dependant on Sûl's coding for that. I can add things like structures, units, etc... But adding a faction was very complicated. That's why progress died, half way through. EvilMen still needs a new Spell Book, hero powers and worst of all: fully functional AI! THAT is VERY hard coded. Perhaps I could get pretty far, once EvilMen is done and fully functional, by copying and modifying, but... I'd still prefer to have Sûl all the way. We agreed that we'd finish this beta together and I can only hope that he'll stick around after that...

That's why it's not that nescessary to put too much effort into planning this. First of all we need to finish this upcoming beta...

[Gfire]

I'd still prefer to have Sûl all the way.

Yeah, I get it. Still fun to plan, though.

[Nazgûl]

It sure is, I have to stop myself every now and then

[khamulrulz]

edain mod had a good rohan farm skin. the building looks more rohan-ish, and has a wooden fence instead of a stone wall (the current farm should be kept for gondor). i say that since we have a partnership wiht edain mod, that we borrow their rohan farm for see

[Nazgûl]

I'd probably do that, if we get there =)

[Damrod]

In regard to the Rohan team thing, I have played the RJ mod and it has a very good Rohan team as far as buildings, walls, and models. Just wondering, would it be at all possible to utilize some of their buildings and models? I understand they will have to be recoded and what not, but I was thinking that would be easier then creating everything from scratch. Besides, the end results would look about the same right?

However, such a prospect may be impossible, so please forgive my ignorance if that is the case.

[Uruk King]

If Rob of the RJ mod would permit us to use some of the structures for a proposed Rohan faction, perhaps it could be done.

BUT Rob has been absent for a very long time, and such actions are impossible, and probably will remain so. SEE has a fairly good partnership with the Edain mod and some additions to the mod have come at the Edain mod's permission. Not to mention there's probably little need. SEE has made it's own way in the modding community and originality is what keeps the community's spirit alive.

[khamulrulz]

the only buildings that the rohan faction needs is a barracks (other mods i have seen all seem to use the same model for that), and walls and the fortress. other mods have made very similar-looking walls and fortresses, and edain mod's fortress looks good, although it has catapult expansions (instead of catapults, perhaps it could have ent expansions). i also like the edain mod's spearthrower/stonethrower platforms.

[Nazgûl]

*bump*

Not entirerly sure if I should announce this already... ...but, since work has begun, I might as well...

Our new coder, who goes by the title Main Coder, is as you might know ny now Ridder Blauw. He's the first new coder to join us efter Sûl left, who has not left himself in a few days. He's also the first to have actually coded a bunch of stuff since he joined. This has lead to a pretty good partnership where we talk alot on MSN. As such, I find it inspirational to allow him to come up with ideas and suggestions directly to me. So even if we override some long devoted fans, I wanna assure you that this little man if full of ideas that syncronize very well with mine. And thus, we end up with not only plans that require little thought, but also a somewhat speedy progress - at least compared to the dead calm since Sûl vanished for the 2nd time

During these conversations, we've talked abot the Rohan/Gondor issue, and I find it rather sad, doing all this work, and still having to wait for Beta 4.8 to split them. Especially with the WICKED and crazy cool (as in beautiful) Rohan Fortress models that TT (ttandchotmail) made for this mod. Considering the years since Beta 4.5, I can't promise when Beta 4.8 would be done, so I've really hoped to split Rohan from Gondor for this beta. But I simply can't since I gave up 75% into adding "EvilMen" as the 7th faction.

However, it has come to my attention that RB (Ridder Blauw) didn't mind venturing into this task, so I welcomed it off course...
This means that work has already begun, on splitting Men into two factions - just like we see in the movies. Along with this, we have reworked the blueprints for the Spell Books to match all these separate factions, so it's merely a matter of hard work now. Coding for RB and administrating modeling work, trading assets and communicating with the team for me, besides making new art and finally balancing the entire beta...

Short version: Rohan will split from Gondor, and they will do it for Beta 4.7!
This leaves the splitting of Harad from Rhûn as the major news in Beta 4.8, and the adding of Campaigns in Beta 4.9... =)

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

Much welcomed. I'd sooner see Rohan split from Gondor any day! I cannot wait for what RB comes up with. We are all indebted to him.

[Lauri]

I just hope you realize what mess it'll leave if he's not up to it or leaves...

chances are it'll ruin Gondor AND Rohan if left while doing it. So my advice is to focus on Gondor first, since it's the most completed one. That way atleast one faction is done if something happens. Just saying, no matter how much you trust people and count on them, one of you eventually leave

[Nazgûl]

Lol, you don't have to remind me about such things... I am WELL aware of that Most modders have at some stage been involved in SEE and left... especially coders. The way I see it, the difference is none. Atm we're still stuck in Beta 4.5 as far as official rel goes, and this WiP can't be rleeased like this, wether we split Men or not. Off course this adds to the work load, but it's also somewhat tricky to have them in the same faction as they've grown so big together. Splitting them up eases up some thing - one of them is focusing on Gondor stuff alone, to begin with, just like you said. If RB leaves, he leaves and we're still where we are now... So, fingers crossed - he won't. But that remains to be seen. No matter what, I will see this mod through, even if I end up having to buy my way there, like I said before

[khamulrulz]

great news nazgul. great to have you on, ridder blauw.

[KingElessar2384]

Awesome man!!! Perhaps I could be of assistance with ideas to evenly balance the two factions and to help fill in missing pieces (though I'm not a modder myself); since these two are my favorite factions.

[Nazgûl]

Hehe well don't worry about that... We have ideas and suggestions to fill out for work to the next millennium ;p

[KingElessar2384]

Hehe well don't worry about that... We have ideas and suggestions to fill out for work to the next millennium ;p

Just in case if something should happen Also wondering how work's going on the Rohan Royal Guards or how far you've gotten on them.