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[Hermoor]

So no flying units for Rohan? Well that makes sense...Rohan never had anything attacking from the sky, their wild card was the ents. Then treebeard should be like gwahir is for the elves. In other words, he should be much stronger. And the elves should only be able to recruit huorns...or maybe ents Treebeard should be able to counter attack a flying unit. Throwing acurate rocks or something. Smaug or some other dragon burning treebeard to death would be unfair to Rohan. At least he should be able to counter attack. This will solve the flying problem for Rohan.

Rohan-Treebeard
Gondor-?
Elves-Gwahir
Dwarfes-Dragon king
Moria-Smaug
Mordor-Nazgul
Rhun-?
Isengard-Crows

[MirkwoodArcher]

So no flying units for Rohan? Well that makes sense...Rohan never had anything attacking from the sky, their wild card was the ents. Then treebeard should be like gwahir is for the elves. In other words, he should be much stronger. And the elves should only be able to recruit huorns...or maybe ents Treebeard should be able to counter attack a flying unit. Throwing acurate rocks or something. Smaug or some other dragon burning treebeard to death would be unfair to Rohan. At least he should be able to counter attack. This will solve the flying problem for Rohan.

Rohan-Treebeard
Gondor-?
Elves-Gwahir
Dwarfes-Dragon king
Moria-Smaug
Mordor-Nazgul
Rhun-?
Isengard-Crows

Could Gondor have the Dead Army? It could be a small army, so that it's not overwhelming.

[khamulrulz]

This isn't the place for flying units, but i'll just recap what the flying units are in my suggestion thread:

Gondor - Eagle (they came to help at the black gate)
Rohan - NONE
Elves - Eagle + Gwaihir
Dwarves - None (i gave them a raven spy power, similar to flock of crows or bats)
Men of Darkness - None (although they do have vultures that spy from fortress, not really a flying unit)
Isengard - None (crebain spy, same as above)
Moria - Drogoth (bats spy, same as above)
Mordor - 9 fellbeasts

If rohan wanted to counter flying units, they would have to use a combination of gamling (bow toggle), yeoman archers (they have that black arrow attack), and royal guards (bow toggle). i think eowyn and eomer's spear throw should work on flying units as well.

Edited by khamulrulz, 25 October 2009 - 12:54 AM.

[MirkwoodArcher]

What's wrong with a small Dead Army for Gondor? It would be cool.

[khamulrulz]

the army of the dead are already summonable in the spellbook... and from aragorn i think (im not sure). and that list up there was just flying units, and the dead men couldn't fly

We should really just talk about rohan in this thread.

[Hermoor]

Each faction should have one special unit that is powerful. Like elfes got Gwahir, and the dwarfes got a dragon and I think moria has smaug right? There hasn't got to be flying units in each faction. Just one strong super unit. I don't think mordor has one right? If we look past that they have to fly. Cuz Treebeard can't fly right? So what creature could be super for each faction.

Gondor - Army of the dead
Rohan - Treebeard
Elves - Gwahir
Dwarves - Dragon king
Men of Darkness - I know nothing about these guys?
Isengard - Crows
Moria - Balrog (The balrog doesn't belong to mordor really)
Mordor - Hmm a special creature from Mordor?

Maybe keep smaug to Moria, even though when you think about it. The balrog is better. This way you will avoid conflict with the summonable balrog mordor has.

Edited by Hermoor, 25 October 2009 - 01:01 AM.

[MirkwoodArcher]

Each faction should have one special unit that is powerful. Like elfes got Gwahir, and the dwarfes got a dragon and I think moria has smaug right? There hasn't got to be flying units in each faction. Just one strong super unit. I don't think mordor has one right? If we look past that they have to fly. Cuz Treebeard can't fly right? So what creature could be super for each faction.

Gondor - Army of the dead
Rohan - Treebeard
Elves - Gwahir
Dwarves - Dragon king
Men of Darkness - I know nothing about these guys?
Isengard - Crows
Moria - Balrog (The balrog doesn't belong to mordor really)
Mordor - Hmm a special creature from Mordor?

Maybe keep smaug to Moria, even though when you think about it. The balrog is better. This way you will avoid conflict with the summonable balrog mordor has.

I agree. Gondor needs a powerful unit and the Dead Army did play a big part in Gondor. Like I said, a small army of the Dead wouldn't be too bad.

[Hermoor]

What speical unit has the dwarfes and Moria?

[khamulrulz]

im guessing nazgul will move these off-topic posts into a new forum....

back to rohan. what should gamling, hama, and theodred's powers be?
all should be able to mount, and i think gamling should be able to bow toggle (in the third film, i saw him shoot arrows)
someone previously recommended that gamling have leadership for militia swordsmen and spearmen, while hama has leadership for the royal guards.

since gamling is theoden's page in the films and puts on his armor, maybe he could have an ability that increases the armor of nearby heroes. not sure about theodred... he could have something similar to boromir's last stand, because when he fell at the fords of isen, he held on until eomer arrived. perhaps he could have a bog-standard battle rage power as well. hama could also have a detect stealth power, because in the films he was the first to figure out about the warg ambush (and he got owned)

Edited by khamulrulz, 25 October 2009 - 01:40 AM.

[Gfire]

Yeah, Gamling would be good for hero support. An armor buff would work nicely for that. Other than that, give him a special strike or a self buff and he'd be good, with mount and toggle weapon.

Theodred would be similar to Eomer. No bounty power, of course, and probably no spear throw, just so they are different enough. Leadership, though, and maybe a train allies power, and a self buff. And of course mount.

For Hama, I'd say leadership to royal guard, and mount. A detect stealth is a cool idea, and would make him more unique and give him more of a purpose. He'd have long vision, I guess. Not sure what else for him. One more power would be fine, but not necessary.

[Nazgûl]

In fact, there is an awesome EA model of Hama in game, unused. Pretty strange... =)

[Gfire]

A decent Gamling skin, too, though I think the Gamling object uses Boromir's model.

[khamulrulz]

nice. so theodred is really the only hero that needs to be built from scratch, right?

[Dant]

Well maybe we can modify it from Theoden models, His armor are alike somehow.

[Gfire]

Yeah, or maybe with some CaH pieces or anims, so he looks different.

If Gamling gets a toggle weapon, though, he'll need mounted and dismounted with sword and bow. So he'll probably need a new model, with faramir's anims or something. Not sure what other sword/bow toggle anim sets there are, besides lurtz. Haldir or the elven warriors might word if the sword swings aren't to elfish, y'know.

[Dant]

About Gamling models, You can see RJ for an example..it work fine though.

[khamulrulz]

with the addition of a four-tower fortress, will the golden hall be removed? draft would then be used from either the main fortress or a farm

[Nazgûl]

Yes, Golden Hall feels to much like it belongs in Edoras, so with a new fortress that model is no longer needed... The fortress would be modeled by "TT" (ttandchotmail) who is the modeler behind all the new Rohan structures for the upcoming movie replica version of Edoras

[Hermoor]

Are you going to erase the golden hall? You should use it for something, some special building for elite rohan guards or something. Don't throw away anything, you can't afford that. You could always change some textures on it, and use it for some other faction. Just make it darker and add some dirt, and the evil men could use it.

[khamulrulz]

well, he said it would be the fortress of the edoras map... that's not exactly throwing it away.