102 replies to this topic

[Devon]

Nope.


Anything built from a capturable building cannot be carried over, for some stupid reason only ea knows.

[{IRS}Athos]

Actually, if my "free inn unit at the start of a battle" survives, it carries over... but that was in 1.05.06 when I was playing as Arnor.

[Excuse_me_princess]

About the inn factions, I love em... just love em!
I've always had a weak spot for customization (hell, CAH was one of the main reasons I bought the pc version), I love playing dwarves and adding the southeren fiefdoms... but.

There are (in my opinion) not enough maps with an inn.
In the normal BFME II there wasn't much use to inns (one unit!?) so it didn't matter.
An other problem i'm encountering is that the inns take a long time to gain levels and that they're (in most cases) are too far away from the base (which wasn't a problem when you could only create one type of unit)
So I would suggest to add more inn's to several maps and closer to bases (Helm's deep could really use one)

On the other hand, I think the usage of inn factions adds a little flavor to the game, you can stiil play with you're favorite faction, whil eadding new elements.
And seeing how much work goes into it, wouldn't it be a good idea (Once again I'm throwing up a ball here) to add a buildable inn too all factions?
Just like the elves have now.
When you build one, you can select which faction you like to ally with, as soon as this upgrade is complete, the banners of that faction appear on the outside of the outside of the inn (could get another name though) and you can build other inns (which also carry you're allies banner)
It can also give better use to the former Mordor tavern (clan steadling WTF!?)

This way the reinforcemenst can be trained closer to home and better defended.
Might also work out for the arnor elven/Dunedain problem, just choose which of both you like too ally with.
As I said, I'm just throwing up a ball here (like many times before) it's just a suggestion, but I think it could be a good way of getting the maximum out of inn factions.
I just think the whole idea of allying with other factions could be a main gameplay thing other than just "something extra", you could really suprise you're enemies when all of a sudden Dwarfs are going LEEEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS on their base while you are playing elves.

(But if it's the idea of keeping the summon allies uprgade to be unique to the elves I understand, you don't want to make it a regular gemeplay thing)

[Bengamey]

I personnaly would rather remove Elven, Gondor, Rohan, Dwarves, Mordor, Isengard, Goblins, Rhun and Harad from Inns and replace them with secondary factions that doesn't appear anywhere else. That's why I love the Southern fiefdom, they are only here! On the other hand the elven inn faction sound to me like a bunch of elven units that were made and that people put there because they are good but better ones wher made in the main faction. People don't want to simply remove them because they spent time making them and so they put them in the Inn. Other Inn factions are really repetitive (but that may change in future releases I believe). If i want to play with gondorian and elfs fighting side to side I play with an elven ally. I would like Inn faction with very different style and not only units but also upgrades. But it's not I who decide and I think this mod will remain the best one whatever rob decide.

But don't add too much units in the main factions. It's the problem of other large scale mods. The originality of a faction don't only come from what they have but also from what they lack. For example too many Khand riders in Mote would destroy the pleasure of playing Rohan. In the Inn they might appear because it needs a lot of time to capture and upgrade the Inn , so they can't become your main strength. Also what's cool with the Inn is that their numbers are limited because you can't build them and so you can't reach the production speed you get by building 4 barracks. And also please don't put Inns on every maps (50 to 60% would be a good number I think).

If you add buildable Inn you would have overcrowed faction lacking no units and so being not very different from others (the subfaction diseases)

I think that southern fiefdom should remain the only faction with nearly all type of units (basic swords, spears archer ... ) but no really unique units or technology. Other Inn faction should have very unique things but serious weaknesses that make them unable to be a faction on their own. I know it would bring a huge amout of work to imagine and create those Inn factions and I don't expect it to be done in the near future


[PS] Finally i wonder if making so many heroes for SF is such a good idea (only 3 imo is a good number) At least don't make them overpowerfull

Edited by Bengamey, 20 April 2009 - 09:24 PM.

[Neth]

I personnaly would rather remove Elven, Gondor, Rohan, Dwarves, Mordor, Isengard, Goblins, Rhun and Harad from Inns and replace them with secondary factions that doesn't appear anywhere else.

Perfect

[Neth]

I personnaly would rather remove Elven, Gondor, Rohan, Dwarves, Mordor, Isengard, Goblins, Rhun and Harad from Inns and replace them with secondary factions that doesn't appear anywhere else.

Perfect

[{IRS}Athos]

Well, I finally decided to stop being lazy and finally add the rest of the powers for the heroes of the Southern Fiefdoms. Let me know if there's anything that could use improvement, or powers that would fit the heroes in question better. I'm putting up a new poll as to what faction to conceptualize next... or if I shouldn't at all.

[Neth]

Good powers. Do Elves next please

[{IRS}Athos]

Hmmmm... that's three votes for elves; but I generally prefer to wait until at least ten or so people have voted. Come to me!

[Excuse_me_princess]

Though I would prefer Dwarfs, I think Elves are the best option.

[{IRS}Athos]

Hey, can I have at least 10 votes here?

[Devon]

Just cause you asked xP

[{IRS}Athos]

Perhaps you'll have the majority one day, Yoda.

[Ring o' Fate]

Because you asked...
Give.
It.
Up.

Edited by Ring of Fate, 08 June 2009 - 01:26 AM.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Some more ideas for subfactions:
Evil factions from wotr:
- Remnants of Angmar, offers some units form the angmar faction (Surely there were some followers left)

Angmar:
- Remnants of Dol Guldur, some Mordor like units;
- Arnorian traitors, some Arnor units carrying the Witch Kings banner (Would be of value, it would give angmar shielded footsoldiers and low tier archers)

Good factions from wotr:
- Remnants of Arnor (less likely to have remnants than Angmar but...)

Arnor:
- Angmarian deserters, some black Numenorians who didn't fully agree with the WK. this sub faction offers some (human) units from the Angmar faction under the Arnorian banner (Heavy footmen with claymores and mid tier archers for example);
- Hillmen of Dunland (Did all tribes rally behind the Witch King?)

Arnor and Angmar:
- Mercenaries, a subfaction that offers some variety of human and dwarven units who chose the side of the highest bidder.

problem here might be heroes, but we could add some commander like units.
Another Idea, you could use the "remnants of" and mercenaries as a standard faction you get next to you're chosen faction when capturing an inn.


Oh and (Please tell me wether this is canon or not), couldn't we have something with some undead units...
I mean Sauron was a Necromancer wasn't he.
So why not a necromancer subfaction?

[{IRS}Athos]

Hmmm... 10 votes. 6 for elves, one each for dwarves/Isengard, and Ringy and Yoda who want me to give up already.

Well, I might as well start sometime this week...

[Scryer]

I thought maybe you can make an evil faction like sf the Variags of Khand faction?

Please tell me we're not actually going to cross that bridge again, in this thread...

[Devon]

We're not going to cross that bridge again in this thread.


I love lying to you scryer

[Ring o' Fate]

Can someone please direct me to the first arguement?