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[Prince of the Dark Forest]

Nazgul, he is not accusing you of asking for help. He is saying that you SHOULD ask for help!

Mate, if you can't do it, RG, RB and Sul can't do it, then the next step would be to let the other experienced coders in the community help.

Now don't take this the wrong way, I love SEE and I want to see it continue, but you are taking the feedback negatively. The only way SEE can continue is if you ask for help and the first step to that would be post the details of the code- what Matias said.

mike_ is right, you completly missed the point...

[Mathijs]

Matias insult me and the team, but noone reacts to that?

I haven't insulted you or your team, but you may think I have because your brain shuts down whenever you read anything that might be construed as being offensive to you. I have however been critical of your approach, and still I have simply explained in my lavish attention to detail and usual cynical eloquence the facts of this matter as they present themselves to me.

Let me try again.

Please, pretty please, let us help you. Publicize the files, divide the mod in 3 parts so you and your brave Knights can debug it seperately and more effectively. In total, I reckon it'd be less than FOUR YEARS of work.

Or, like I said, you could get mad at me and wash everything down the drain because the stick up your ass has rooted and grown exponentionally. That was an insult.

[Nazgûl]

...your brain shuts down whenever you read anything that might be construed as being offensive to you....

...the stick up your ass has rooted and grown exponentionally. That was an insult.

Indeed! Lol this is actuallky pretty amusing... after several years in these forums, you are still my antagonist and you just LOVE to stirr rings in the water where I swim, don't you!? Amazing, and you expect me to plee for your help? Why don't you just do what we decided years ago - stay out of me business? Pretty please? =)

[Elvenlord]

Dear god naz, he's offering a way for you to get help. Swallow your pride and take it.

[Ridder Blauw]

Please somebody, close this darn topic. It's USELESS now!

[Ridder Geel]

It's Nazgul's call, i dont really care what you guys do.
I will help rebuild if necessary, thats all I said.

[Nazgûl]

Naturally, I speak only for myself, not on the behalf of the team or anyone else... Just to make that clear. Still, this is just a modding community and it's just a game. I think you all blow this way of of proportion. Relax, take it easy, as I actually manage to do after all. Life has bigger problems than this =)

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

This is getting out of hand... Everybody needs to calm down... Naz, try and see past any history you and Matias have, and just get on with salvaging the mod... This isn't about pride or anything, it's a misunderstanding. Why wouldn't Nazgul ask for help out of fear of his pride. I'm sure he has asked for help many times before...

[Ridder Blauw]

Ok, guys... Thnx for all the offered help. But the desicion remains with Nazgul. Pressuring him won't help a bit. And it seems that there is a huge misunderstanding here, and people are understanding stuff wrong. I know were a community and we should help each other, but we should also remember that it's Nazgul's Mod and that that can't change. If he needs help he asks for it freely, not under pressure. So guys we should just stop this useless discussion and see what the future holds.

[CTLN7]

any coder that is willing to help can always pm naz for more details of the problem .. you guys should chill and mind your own mods

[Nazgûl]

Thanks CTLN =) I really think this grew out of hand. I'm a nice guy, really, and I appreciate all help from whereever and in whatever form, but there can't be any underlying problems or conflicts behind them. That would never work =) Cooperation requires human interactions, that in turn requires chemisty...

And yes Prince, I have asked millions of times... Asking for help isn't always a solution as people are busy with their own projects and I don't want to bother anyone more than I have. Anyway, this stops here as far as I'm concerned. Post what you like, I've said my part and I'm not upset or anything. Peace to all


Sorry about my keybaord. It's bashed =p

Edited by Nazgûl, 22 November 2010 - 06:43 PM.

[NewErr]

Ok everybody chilled ?
Some good news now , I have decided to help the mod in it's progress .

*Smile*

Applause ? No? ...

Fine ...

[Ridder Blauw]

Uhhh Val, how can you expect any if you post it in one post? XD

[mike_]

Oh for fuck's sake. You'd rather refuse to follow other's suggestions and let your mod die, O Great Director.

I wasn't trying to offend you (until just now), and for the most part neither was Matias. But if you're Hell-bound to see it that way then so be it - there are other mods that would like to have your spot in the limelight, believe you me.

Edited by mike_, 22 November 2010 - 07:05 PM.

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

mike_ no need to get angry... The argument's over... XD

I'm glad everyone's calmed down and I look forward to any developments for SEE in the coming days and weeks.

[NewErr]

It already started .. somehow.

[Nazgûl]

Yeah, anyone can post whatever angry outburts they will, I don't care - I've said my piece on this and I'm done messing with M&M =p

As far as the mod and this topic in certain goes, I don't want to diminish it's importance, otherwise I would never have posted it. The mod IS in trouble, but I/we have not given up just yet - which I never said. We are discussing all possibilities every day, and while we are doing this I gained a new modeler. One whom I have admired for long, so welcome Val =)

Should we crash and burn with no possibility of salvation, then all models naturally goes back to their owners to be distributed as they may seem fit =) But... it's not over yet, even if the problems are indeed daunting.

[Kwen]

Make a dummy mod. Make a small big mod with all the required buildings in one file with only the MINIMUM required information for them to run. They do NOT need to include your assets, just as long as they function in WB. Which I'm 100% sure you could make work. As long as all the object names you use to create your stuff in WB with this
dummy mod match SEE it will work fine.

I don't mean just take the buildings you need like you said you've tried in the other topic, I mean make insanely basic ones, that serve no other purpose then to be dummies for the real thing later.

[Mathijs]

Alright Naz, any favours I was willing to provide you can forget about. I guess some people never change. Good luck being The Leader.

[KingElessar2384]

@Val: You're awesome, man
@Naz: Sorry about my outburst, I've calmed down and took a chill pill
P.S: Keep being awesome
Thx