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[Zeta1127]

yeah, 2 units that i never understood why they were included in the original game. the TIE Mauler and the Tartan gunship. they had the TIE Crawler and Lancer frigate they could have used in the exact same roles.

Its a known fact that something very strange happened during the development of EaW, where several units were originally intended to be previously established ones, before inexplicably becoming something new entirely, and the only people with the answers are LA and Petroglyph.

[Phoenix Rising]

Putting the Lancer or TIE Crawler in 1 BBY would've created a timeline conflict. Still, it's strange that the Tartan and TIE Mauler exist at all, given that the "successor" designs came about for very specific reasons: the Lancer from the loss of the Death Star to snubs and the Crawler from Allied Tion declaring independence after Zsinj's collapse and Lady Santhe looking to diversify.

One idea I had was that the Mauler was made specifically for CompForce (known to field vehicle units, but never discussed in specifics), due to the self-destruct mechanism. I guess the Tartan could similarly fall under the employ of Imperial Customs, leaving the Lancer for the Navy.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 21 June 2012 - 03:59 AM.

[Zeta1127]

PR, that didn't stop them from creating a timeline conflict with the StarViper-class attack platform appearing in 1 BBY in FoC. I like your explanations.

Edited by Zeta1127, 21 June 2012 - 08:02 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

True. I think that was more "we already made the Virago; now where can we fit it in"? The art was taken verbatim from EaW without update - it doesn't even have LOD or shadow meshes. Can't explain that one easily, unless they stole the blueprints from Black Sun or something.

[P.O._210877]

Can't explain that one easily, unless they stole the blueprints from Black Sun or something.

Now, Mesdames et Mesdemoiselles please pardon my language, whoever would've done THAT must have a freaking big pair of cojones!

Any writers on theses boards?

Edited by P.O._210877, 22 June 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[skie9173]

a few land unit suggestions

XR-85 Tank Droid
http://starwars.wiki...R-85_tank_droid
Imperial pure assault vehicle; perhaps only one per deployment unlike the AT-AT’s two? No model exists I believe and it might be hard to model but it is an impressive (possibly OP) unit non-the-less, and as PR stated earlier, it fits right into Shadow Hand.

Swift Assault 5 Hoverscout
http://starwars.wiki...lt_5_Hoverscout
Gives the Empire an unit with concussion missiles, and possibly a higher mobility vehicle that can respond to a variety of threats. Maybe a sensor ping or similar ability?
AHS-1 heavy assault airspeeder
http://starwars.wiki...ault_airspeeder
Rebel/New Republic heavy airspeeder. I’ve recommended this before long time ago. I saw a model for it awhile ago but it was pretty low quality. Not really a high on the list of item but could be a neat unit all the same down the road. It could also be another counter to Imperial slow but heavy hitters like Tank droids and AT-ATs.

MAS-2xB self-propelled turbolaser
A majorly OP very late tech NR unit. Possibly Only in starting forces. Its main role is as an artillery platform. It could have massive damage potential in a long but narrow cone in front of it. Side turrets allow for some protecting but in all honesty is a sitting duck if flanked, due to slow movement and turn speeds. No special power/abilities, it’s a pure assault weapon.
Ok its not really needed but I just love the idea of what essentially equates to a super high tech battle dirigible of doom!

Ultra-Light Assault Vehicle
http://starwars.wiki...Assault_Vehicle
Another Rebel/NR vehical. If possible make it raidable to reflect its light style? More of a combat vehicle than Arrows but simerally armored. Armed with laser cannons, grenade launcher (maybe variable load at late levels) and a blaster cannon, it could serve as a heavy scout or as a fast flexible flanker

V-wings are much like Tank Droids, an eventual shoe in if the PR staff has enough time eventually
Will V-wings have stutter fire to replicate rapid fire lasers maybe? Also could later models have limited raid capability due to their ability to deploy from transports still in high atmosphere, possible OP though.

[sargeantsandwich]

Ultra-Light Assault Vehicle
http://starwars.wiki...Assault_Vehicle
Another Rebel/NR vehical. If possible make it raidable to reflect its light style? More of a combat vehicle than Arrows but simerally armored. Armed with laser cannons, grenade launcher (maybe variable load at late levels) and a blaster cannon, it could serve as a heavy scout or as a fast flexible flanker

I'm currently reading throught the X-wing series, and the Ultra-Light Assault Vehicle was capable of targeting starfighters, it could be used as an anti-air unit or general-purpose unit. Plus, one upgrade to the engines is already mentioned in one of the books (Wraith Squadron I think)

[Phoenix Rising]

That's a good list, skie. I don't plan on allowing any vehicle platoons to raid though (it's coded by class, anyway, so not possible to make unit exceptions).

Hmm, seriously? The ULAV scrapes ground relative to other landspeeders as it is. Sounds like bad research.

[skie9173]

I thought raiding might have been related to class but wasn't sure. Still sounds good. I have two more unit quick suggestions and a few heroes:

A-A5 Heavy Speeder Truck
http://starwars.wiki...y_speeder_truck
A fairly armored speeder that could be used by all fractions as a cheap alternative to Juggernauts and AT-ATs for troop transport. Its repulsorlift nature would allow it greater mobility and it could come in larger groups than other transports, say 4 or 5 to a group. Though its not described as having armament, some ofits images indicate a top mounted turret.

Heavy Assault Vehicle/repulsorlift (HAVr) A9 Floating Fortress
http://starwars.wiki...oating_Fortress
A repulsorlift AT-AT alternative to all your Urban Suppression needs. Again repulsorlifts might give more maneuverability. More Lightly armed and armored than the AT-AT. The inclusion of the TIN sensor pack could allow for some interestingly adapted abilities. The Floating Fortress could also serve as a hero transport for....

General Hurst Romodi
http://starwars.wiki...ki/Hurst_Romodi
Romodi is a fairly early Imperial Ground General, letting early campaigns have access to a Veers like commander. This is especially relevant for Sky Hook since Romodi is present on the DS I as "Chief of Battle Station Operations". He has a live action picture though its poor quality and after several minutes of fooling around seems like it would be difficult to edit. He's an Imperial hero, and no nonsense commander. His transport as stated could be a Floating Fortress with a ground equivalent of Concentrate Fire, to emulate his command and the TIN sensor pack.

Igar
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Igar
A late Imperial ground commander. Transport Tempest 1 AT-AT, the one guarding the shield generator at Endor. Also the character that brings Luke to Vader.

For the Alliance Adar Tallon, he has been recommended before but I just had a wall of crazy idea for him. He could be given his Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser Battalion. I know it might be a bit much canonwise but technically the Battalion's destruction was part of Tallon's escape form the Empire, PR is semi-sandbox based so why not present the possiblity that the Tallon defected WITH the Battalion rather than scuttling it? Just an interesting idea for a unique hero transport.

I know the PR staff isn't thinking about these things right now but I just wanted to lay them out there, I'm currently between job and have time to do such, if I don't present them now I might never get the chance. Thanks for enduring another rant lol

[smashedsaturn]

Mmmm those tank droids would look good incinerating a rebel base, too bad they have a unique and undocumentnted weapon XD

[skie9173]

The Heavy particle cannon? It is somewhat described here http://starwars.wiki...i/Particle_beam assuming that its just a heavier version of a normal particle cannon. It might be a little under torbolasers in damage but with a moderate AoE? just my 2 cents

[smashedsaturn]

The Heavy particle cannon? It is somewhat described here http://starwars.wiki...i/Particle_beam assuming that its just a heavier version of a normal particle cannon. It might be a little under torbolasers in damage but with a moderate AoE? just my 2 cents

i wonder why that wasn't linked to from the heavy particle cannon page lol

[Henry X]

What I find interesting about the XR-85 is that its size has changed between its three sources. In Dark Empire, it's as large as an AT-AT, but in Rogue Squadron it's comparable in size to an AT-PT.

I always liked the smaller variant anyway.

[Phoenix Rising]

32 meters is the correct one, considering the armament (retail games aren't the best at scale). It could be a different unit in RS though.

[Henry X]

know it's the correct one, I just find it to be silly, though canon.

We do need artillery though. And this may sound crazy, but as you guys get more maps designed can you make them defender friendly?

I mean, I'm just feeling really crazy today and I think that with a little bit of tinkering with the AI could make for some impressive battles as the AI now brings massive armies groundside, while the defenders can enjoy an attrition style defense.

Not sure I'm getting my point across without sounding like a maniac. I'm not saying, make it a defensive cakewalk, but make it where the battles take place over a large area and to make it fair to the AI, make it where they only attack when they have, say a 3:1 to 5:1 or greater ratio.

[evilbobthebob]

Don't worry, there are a number of defensive-focussed maps that have been near-finalised

[P.O._210877]

Don't worry, there are a number of defensive-focussed maps that have been near-finalised

For which GC?

[evilbobthebob]

For any GC where the planets are used! Most of the maps are for the important worlds in the Star Wars galaxy since they are the ones that would have the strongest defence.

[Phoenix Rising]

We try to prioritize our custom maps by the planets that have the most need (importance, uniqueness, etc.) and those that come up most often in campaigns (appearances, flashpoints, etc.). I believe, at this point, each campaign has at least one major planet with a new map.

[Madurai]

What needs to happen is a shift of emphasis. Currently freighters and mining facilities are both equally viable, so map control isn't particularly important. I think that the mining facilities need to be the most important income stream, and freighters scaled back, so that map control becomes more important. I think TB's patch had a changelog which explains some of the stuff, and in my opinion it was a big improvement on standard skirmish in PR.

That seems like a step in the right direction, but your freighter income still feels like a necessary step towards bootstrapping yourself out of being neutral-locked out of ways to expand in the early game. Sounds like the sort of thing that could be fine-tuned in playtest.

Edit: After some consideration, maybe trade revenue ought to be the variable changed.

Edited by Madurai, 01 August 2012 - 03:30 AM.