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[duke_Qa]

I have never really cared about him nor will I care any more about him now. It is disturbing that these people are considered reliable sources by people. it reminds me a bit too much about this monster's way of building your own world image with no criticism coming up against it. Oh well, I hope we will have smarter people around in 40 years.

[Puppeteer]

I've just returned from my holiday in Norway, but I was not in Oslo - I was in Stravanger, Olden, Flåm and Bergen. I was constantly watching Sky News when in my cabin. The reactions by the people of Oslo and friends and relatives of Utøya island have been so dignified and heart-warming - I dread to think what the British reaction would be if an identical event happened.

On a side note, Norway has made me realise how much I despise the UK. I would love to live in Norway, if only I could guarantee getting a job straight away to avoid all my savings being swallowed up. Maybe some day.

[duke_Qa]

Well, there were some bad events just as the bomb went off in Oslo, with many dark-skinned people getting shouted at and being given the evil stare. If this was a generic muslim terrorist attack it certainly would have been uglier.

Yeah, when I read about British politics I feel as if there is some old stiff-upper-lip trio sitting in a room, harp in the background, getting annoyed at all the noise their servants are making outside which is disturbing their card game. Especially after that attempt at an vote reform last year.

Getting a job in Norway can be tricky, but not impossible. it is as you say hard to come up here and live on savings though.

[duke_Qa]

Not that I like giving this guy more airtime than he deserves(he should be forgotten as quickly as possible imo), but the court publicly started today and he is pretty good at making scenes.

[http://www.guardian.co.uk/] <-- I think such images might be a good thing to suppress the growing right-wing we've seen around the west the last 10 years. Doubt it'll make life easier on those who believe in such things at least.

the show is expected to last for around ten weeks. Some parts will be public, but ABB's personal appeals and speeches will not.

Some of the recent news is that he is considered sane after a second round of psychiatric evaluations, which gives us the possibility for 21 years of safekeeping imprisonment. That imprisonment type can, after those years, be prolonged indefinitely in ten year iterations if he is still considered a threat to society at the end of those iterations. Basically. He will be judged after 21 years in prison, 31, 41 51, 61 and so on and so forth.

[Pasidon]

Well if you're going to be a mass killer, you might as well play the part. Nothing wrong with a bit of theatrical mojo when you know you're toast.

[duke_Qa]

Well I think this is a guy with no sense of perspective beyond his own views on the world. He's a typical forum troll gone too far. I do think that once he gets put on isolation for the next 21 years, he's done more damage to whatever right-wing ideology has been brewing lately than good.

[Pasidon]

I have the feeling I may be the only one respecting this guy... I mean he's the first individualized non-Arab mass murderer this century and he has no sense of submitting to any sort of authority just because everyone else does. That's horribly interesting more than frustrating to me... and then again, I always sympathize to mass murderers since they seem to do more good than harm in fixing our population crisis. ... Hi, I'm Pasidon. I may be a psychopath.

[Mathijs]

So edgy.

[duke_Qa]

If you like people who kill because of their own inflated ego then I'd understand the fascination with this guy. He did this primarily for himself, not to solve a "problem" of over-population or islamification. He's a psychopath by the dramatic meaning of the word.

Also, if "not submitting to authority" equals killing a ton of defenseless kids, what does that tell people about small-government ideologies? "Vote for us and you'll be free to kill those you hate the most". Yeah, sounds right-wing to me.

[Pasidon]

I wouldn't like hearing freedom of murder all that much... hinting why I don't have that much respect for the modern 'soldier', but the planning and execution of a mass killing is, without a doubt, fascinating. It's why we watch dramatic television and films. I find the whole process intriguing on the basis that murder is the world's most elaborate puzzle and field of study. And I really don't care for the whole "You don't have the authority to bind these hands!" sob story since he didn't put much thought into getting away with the incident. Escaping the political trap is half the fun for all parties involved. But his views make the situation far more interesting. He's not some grey shaded killer... he has his own mangled personality that entangles with his deeds that makes for great television.

[duke_Qa]

Well there usually is an aesop that crime rarely pays in most television. Mass murder even more so. Would it have been as fascinating if communication wasn't global and instant, and all the glory you'd get was the sodomy of a prison shower?

Some might consider murder a good tool to create a puzzle, but I'd rather see them spend their energies on solving world problems than creating them. This guy wants rules that make him king of the universe and honored for his crimes. He's a jester and he will be wrapped in chains.

But I do think his state of mind tells us something about the world we are living in now, with echo-rooms on the internet with ideology-wank dripping off the walls. Back in the day such people could gather a group of followers and start a political party and perhaps rule a nation, today they are restricted to pitiful crimes of mass murder which sums up to terror in the name of X.

Edited by duke_Qa, 16 April 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[Pasidon]

I get the impression you don't like the guy.

Yea, you could say this era of murdering dogs is symbolic of the modern state of thinking. How people are becoming more... guhhh... individuals. I'm not killing these people because I'm emotionally depressed like that mind-boggling dull killer at Virginia Tech... I'm doing it because I believe in a higher standard and I demand to make my point by brutal means. Murder with an agenda is always more than flipping a few dead kids into the mud... it's making a point. Even though most will consider this guy's opinions to be of a whacko ideology, there is some political injustice to be found in it as well. I can't pinpoint anything since I haven't looked into this way too much, but regardless... we might as well learn a lesson or two from this. Like what ministers at loud black churches like sayin'... Get your business done.

[duke_Qa]

I'm not killing these people because I'm emotionally depressed like that mind-boggling dull killer at Virginia Tech... I'm doing it because I believe in a higher standard and I demand to make my point by brutal means. Murder with an agenda is always more than flipping a few dead kids into the mud... it's making a point

Not sure if those are your words or an attempt to write down ABB's mindset, but they didn't read very nicely(please to detail what that sentence was meant to be about). When ever did murdering a bunch of children do anything but make your name famous for a decade or two, while those who went the political path and did well will be remembered for centuries?

Another fact I've yet to think about, is that the more lunatics that go around killing random people for their own fame and glory and opinion, the less they will be remembered. It is a blue-water situation right now, with relatively few big names, but as time goes by and we'll see more of these mass-murderers, they will fade into "nothing new on the east-front" apathy. Hopefully media will in a while start self-censoring itself when it comes to such glory-monsters.

[Pasidon]

Now we both know the media feeds on these sorts of things. But what I was attempting to say was that this is a cause and effect murder. These ideologies and political holes that we've been talking about have some cause in these deaths. Crazy viking guy wouldn't have killed if he wasn't forced to believe in such ideologies over the obviously corrupt and unjust system he lives in. And instead of learning a lesson from this, we just say he's crazy and be done with it.

[duke_Qa]

But what I was attempting to say was that this is a cause and effect murder. These ideologies and political holes that we've been talking about have some cause in these deaths. Crazy viking guy wouldn't have killed if he wasn't forced to believe in such ideologies over the obviously corrupt and unjust system he lives in.

Yeah, surely this place is hell on earth for those that want to kill with no repercussions those they consider inferior to themselves.

And instead of learning a lesson from this, we just say he's crazy and be done with it.

Nah, he's been deemed sane and rational. That doesn't mean that he's incapable of creating his own twisted view on reality that very few adhere to. He didn't have success following the democratic path because his views were too far away from reality, so he just pushed his own views through with terrorism. Now the court will strip his arguments apart and for the world to see, for better or worse. But I think it is a good thing that we get to see every little logical flaw in his world view, and there's plenty of people around to disprove his facts.

[Pasidon]

Bah... now you're getting too moral. Think of it this way then... to actually put meaning on the deaths and any future incidents, it is best to change the catalyst instead of ignoring it. He has been proven sane, but apparently most people refuse to acknowledge the Norwegian Medical Department's authority on that and just bluntly say he's out of his mind since any rational person couldn't kill people. This means most people will also ignore the political ramifications that caused him to kill. We need coverage of events like this to deduct why they were done and to fix what is necessary to prevent them again. Preventing crime is my least favorite part of detective work, but it's part of the puzzle I suppose.

[duke_Qa]

Most people didn't want him to be considered insane, because he would be put in observation and he'd be given a chance at release every 3 years(i prefer 21+10 year iterations that he will get as a sane person). It also would mean that extreme right-wing ideology would be painted as a mental health problem, and that would be a problem for both the mentally ill and the rest of the population.

We need coverage of events like this to deduct why they were done and to fix what is necessary to prevent them again. Preventing crime is my least favorite part of detective work, but it's part of the puzzle I suppose.

Coverage is one thing, fixing is another. As mentioned earlier, I rather this guy be as little of an influence in the political game as possible. He didn't play by the rules, he should not get to influence the rules. There are others out there with much better education and reasoning to figure out the best "immigration policy" for us, even if some of them seem very optimistic at times, they at least have done more good than this guy.

[Pasidon]

I haven't seen much good come from young, promising political scientists. Those people end up talking a whole lot of sense... some of the time... but talking usually gets no one's attention, or it gets the attention of those people who are already listing. That goes nowhere. When you have guys like viking murderer, you end up getting attention where it needs to be. I would have never of been interested in politics on that side of the world if viking dude didn't contribute to the coffin business. He's done more good for European politics than anyone I can think of in the past 20 years since he has gotten mine and many others in full attention.

[duke_Qa]

At least he has brought attention back to the ever crawling danger of emotional right wing politics up to the sun again. Good timing as well, since its been crawling a lot the last 20 years.

[Pasidon]

Now getting eyes on it is one thing, but getting action is another. Have we seen any action taken since? Or are people still obsessing about the Viking Horror too much to poke a stick behind the curtain?