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[fir3w0rx]

Yuri's Revenge has been around for so many years, but with the vast amount of new units and structures that MO has to offer, it's almost a completely new game. Although there is a manual available, I think that learning by doing would be a lot more fun than reading about it. What do you think? Votes are anonymous.

[Solais]

Definitely. Even if these tutorials are just voiceover descriptions, like when new units were introduced in the original games.

[lovalmidas]

I wholeheartedly agree with this idea, although that begets the question of how and who to introduce. Complete tutorial missions are featured only in Red Alert 2, and that is for the interface and control tutorial.

All 'introductions' of later units are done in the midst of a mission, be it in Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge.

Some of the 2.0c/psi units have been introduced with ingame text instead of voices or demonstrations or complete tutorials, but the point made is identical. So this is nothing new, but a good direction to explore.

If (there, I said 'IF') I can spare some time off my university commitments, then I am making a micromanagement training 'tutorial' mission along with my 'fan-missions' in 2.0psi (though I wouldn't introduce new units ). I reckon it will probably be completed after 3.0 is out.

[Graion Dilach]

I'm against this idea, and support an entire tutorial campaign instead.

In RA2, you was limited in the techtree just because the game aimed to teach you, Take Allied 1 for example. Yet in Allied 02 you are told that you are the sole commander who haven't fell in the Soviet rush.

In MO, even on the first missions you are The Commander and thereby you are already supposed to know how to deal with stuff. If you can't deal with stuff then you just doesn't belong to the command chair.

And remind you, I fail at campaign.

Edited by Graion Dilach, 15 July 2012 - 11:13 AM.

[fir3w0rx]

An entire tutorial campaign definitely sounds like a great idea, kind of like in RA3. Keep in mind though, If this tutorial idea does get implemented, it'll definitely push the release date further back, so therefore I apologise in advance for backing the idea .

[Graion Dilach]

Not for me, I have beta access.

I even know how impossible the first missions already are and I know that those can't be tutorial ones.

[lovalmidas]

Lol. But then having fans working their sweat out over 3.0 would leave more time for making 4.0 without people getting bored or asking for more missions.

Honestly, if MO 3.0 were not standalone, I would have encouraged anyone in need of help to even control the battlefield to play the tutorial campaign in the original Red Alert 2. Since the introductions of units have always been part of actual missions, another tutorial mission/campaign would be unnecessary.

But since it is planned to be standalone (and independent from 2.0c/psi), some of the new fans may be completely new to Red Alert 2 stuff (which is probable considering how old Red Alert 2 is). Having a tutorial mission can be useful, although if they needed tutorials in the first place, well... I sincerely wish them the best in singleplayer.

And honestly, having ONE tutorial mission is probably enough - basic Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge gameplay isn't very complicated. Even if it were, a 'sandbox' kind of mission or even skirmish can deal with all the learning.

Talking about introductions, since most the units will be changed in namesake, it may be good to reintroduce those 'new' units in gameplay again. There will exist some random people who don't know that the Archon and Stryker are the new IFVs, and write 'I can repair my tanks in this mission??'.

[Foxy Boxes]

The Archon and Stryker are the new IFVs?

[lovalmidas]

Hi Foxy Boxes,
Check it out.
http://mo.cncguild.n...ge=allied_units

Check out the two unit names and their "Additional Info"

I must admit the surprise came much earlier than I expected.

[Graion Dilach]

By your definition, Tsurugi is also an IFV.

You have some points, however I tell you.... we can't put them in. The first Allied mission is to do something with that huge armada from the RA2 intro to not lose the Pentagon. The player simply has no chance to get tutorials or unit introductions when there are 10-15 Kirovs incoming... and after that, an entire Soviet D-day.

On the other hand, there is a much, much more detailed webpage and even skirmish games can be used to get used to the sides. And campaigns will still be painful. I can't think up better than having the tutorial missions separate.

Edited by Graion Dilach, 20 July 2012 - 08:45 AM.

[Speeder]

We might do the tutorial minicampaign, however it would be seperate from Allied/Soviet/Epsilon Act One.

[Atomic_Noodles]

Might as well. Isn't it possible to do Four Campaigns with Ares now?

[Armageddon123]

It's just my opinion, but I think you should make as less "Destroy everything on map" objectives as possible! It is a real pain in the arse, destroying all buildings is just enough. I.E Deep Freeze, Cloak and Dagger, Cold air No air, The Fall of Adam........ And even though it pissed me off every time I played it, I really like Paranoiac! But, you know, I'll like anything you put in 3.0, even if it made no sense at all. Keep up the good work!

[lovalmidas]

From what I have seen so far, you will face many kinds of objectives and less of "Kill everything". Although if you get pissed with Paranoiac, you will probably get 'pissed' with 3.0 missions too.

"I'll like anything you put in 3.0, even if it made no sense at all." XD

[isaac103]

We might do the tutorial minicampaign, however it would be seperate from Allied/Soviet/Epsilon Act One.

I am assuming this option is still on the table or has that gone out the window now?

[Sven Co. Op]

An idea for the mini campaign that I have in mind is more of a refresher course that the commander takes part in several years before the events of Act 1. Think of it as a large scale war games type mission, where the commander takes command of various units in order to complete several tasks revolving around the core fundamentals of MO. The targets could consist of dummies and civilian buildings (empty ones mind you), and just goes through some basic stuff like waypoints, groupings, etc.

 

Any thoughts?

[EtherealDark]

Definitely on board with that idea, especially if you include important hotkeys as well like Q,W,E,R, the importance of Q and W in building placement, etc.

[isaac103]

I'm hoping Speeder is looking at this and still considering the idea. (After all the Mental Omega missions are over that is)

[isaac103]

Hate to keep bumping this but with the new map editor coming out, would it be possible to create our own tutorial missions just to help speed things up?

[UNSC THE CHILL OF WAR]

Hate to keep bumping this but with the new map editor coming out, would it be possible to create our own tutorial missions just to help speed things up?

 

i agree with everything, I was wondering if I could help too with new map editor