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[Tyhednus]

You have to tech up fast, do not let him spam Cruisers or wolfies(he can only chose to spam one type) so it will be pretty much Cruiser spam + some wolfies support or Wolfies spam + some Cruisers(due to $$$, yeah I don't play with 50k here, only 10k).
Smokes don't damage anything but they give a considerable nerf to units in a large area to make them easier to kill.
 
Make good use of Morales MiG strike as he can take out some important things in just one shot. Make use of the Repair drones as they are very useful(or Rejuvenators if there are any Labs)
Zubr + Bomb buggy makes a good deal too, scout the waters and see if he builds navy, if he does just go trough the other side(easier to do vs allies because you can see the Destroyers).
Something really annoying is the Bunker + Paradrop combo(on miners or outside WF), just order paradrops and when the plane is dropping them spawn the bunker.

Wow, you put some time in giving tips to me. Thanks. The only issue left is money. I usually star with dogs and engineers for scouting and derricks and other stuff. I use basic infantry only on urban maps for garrising buildings to prevent the enemy doing that. Then comes refinery and factory. I build two miners and maybe some halftracks and and Jaguars. After the radar it becomes tricky. I often build a buggy, borillo and some t2 infantry. But I always seem to struggle between chosing to build a second refinery or the lab right away? But much of this depends on the enemy. BTW those borillos , infantry and buggies are for my harassments. I love to use them to rush into the enemy and set the base ablaze. Usually I let them all die.

Edited by Tyhednus, 12 February 2014 - 09:34 PM.

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After this post, Scavengers won't be the same anymore.

Reinforcements

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Allies: they get nothing grindable.
Soviets: all Soviets can drop Repair Drones and grind them, then spam them. They don't have to rely on luck for repair purposes!
Epsilon: they get nothing grindable.

USA: they can drop Hummvees and Strykers to grind them, then spam them. Not an issue, though.
EA: they get nothing grindable.
PF: they get nothing grindable (btw, there are very high chances that their Zephyr Beacon will be useless here).
Russia: they can drop Rhino Tanks to grind them, then spam them. Not an issue, though.
China: they get nothing grindable.
Confederation: they can drop Mortar Quads to grind them, then spam them.
Psi Corps: they can drop Libra Clones to grind them, then spam them. Not an issue? One Libra Clone costs 300, Cloning Vats allow you to have 2. With as many Libra Clones you can get from spamming them, there is hardly anything you'll be able to do.
Units that can stop this kind of Libra Clone spam: Stinger, Borillo, T3 anti-infantry artillary (and whatever will it be, you have to spam them too). Good luck finding them, you're going to need it.
Headquarters: they get nothing grindable. However, they can mutate infantry into Brutes to grind them and then spam them. This is in a gamemode that lacks T2 anti-infantry infantry, and for anti-infantry units, you might not be so lucky. Also, Cloning Vats give 2 Brutes, obviously. But then, T1 anti-infantry spam might still be able to deal with them.
Scorpion Cell: they can drop Dream Weavers and Molebombs to grind them, then spam them. Not really an issue, as dogs handle Dream Weavers, and Molebombs are near useless in a gamemode that focuses on tanks.

Economy boosters

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Ore Purifier: affects the gameplay same as in skirmish, although here it's definitely behind Industrial Plant.
Industrial Plant: cheaper tanks in a gamemode that focuses on building tanks, making the Soviets favored here.
Cloning Vats: not sure, borderline from near useless to OP - T1 infantry spam remains effective only long as the enemy doesn't have area anti-infantry units (like Nuwas, Hailstorms or Prism Tanks), but on the other hand there is the Libra Clone, Brute and Dream Weaver exploit.

Repairing

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Allies: Backwarp, other than that, they rely on luck. However, USA can easily get Strykers.
Soviets: Like mentioned above, just grind the Repair Drone and they can build as many of them as they want.
Epsilon: Risen Railgun for very short lasting repair, rely on luck otherwise.

Stealth detection

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No side has anything for this and it's purely luck based, although if any of them would get a stealth detection structure, that would break it. Either all sides should have it luck based or none.

I don't know what is planned with this gamemode, but unless people will choose to will as random side, the luck factor doesn't really apply here, since some have it easier than others, while two sides will be absolutely avoided.

[Speeder]

Scavengers will be out in BR2 until further rethought.

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Now we know who will get blamed for it.

[Black/Brunez]

Goddamn mev! Why???

 

WHYYYYYY?!!!!! 

[Petya]

Some gamemodes aren't developed to be balanced but they can be fun. After all it is fun and ppl enjoy it.

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Luckily for me, this post wasn't what made Speeder think of removing it, even if it looks like it.
And i didn't want Scavengers removed, even if it's imba (i would just avoid it).

[Petya]

I think the problem with Scavengers was that it is really based on the luck. Like while one player can get 2 Centurions in a row in early game the other player can get only basic stuff.

 

Also as I've heard Soviets can make Repair Drones easily buildable, which is a big advantage against other sides. Also the Soviet Industrial Plant and the Allied Ore Purifier are good, but Epsilon Cloning Vats doesn't have big use in this gamemode.

[UprisingJC]

I think the problem with Scavengers was that it is really based on the luck. Like while one player can get 2 Centurions in a row in early game the other player can get only basic stuff.

 

Also as I've heard Soviets can make Repair Drones easily buildable, which is a big advantage against other sides. Also the Soviet Industrial Plant and the Allied Ore Purifier are good, but Epsilon Cloning Vats doesn't have big use in this gamemode.

That's just like a normal battle mode with crates on.

 

If your opponent gets something like a Prism tank or Nuwa cannon, you're finished.

[Petya]

It's a bit different though. Scavenger crates have increased probability that it might contain a special unit. While in normal battle you can get several things and the probability is even lower.

[Black/Brunez]

Also as I've heard Soviets can make Repair Drones easily buildable, which is a big advantage against other sides.

 

AFAIK you don´t get Repair Drones after grinding them.

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Then perhaps that was disabled for them. Didn't check Repair Drones now, tbh, it was from some Scavengers game before public beta, and since other stuff was buildable after grinding, i assumed Repair Drones still are.

And some feedback i wanted to post for some time already (the Libra Clone thing for over a month already). Maybe i should have posted it in the suggestion thread, but whatever.

Libra Clones

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9 Libra Clones deals more or less same damage as the real one does. I think that's a lot since you can get them relatively fast and cheap. Either the support has to have a higher cooldown, or it should cost 1500, or even both.
Which is funny btw, considering how useless they and Libra were in closed beta before the missile buff (they still die fast when you know what to use against them ).

Airborne

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Another support that i think has to have its cost increased is the American Airborne, as 1000 for 7 GIs and 3 GGIs (which themselves cost 900, and those 7 GIs are worth 840) is very cheap (i dunno how much should it cost, though, maybe 1200? would make a nice 3k with Bloodhounds, btw ). I think cooldown should also be increased to what Bloodhounds and Libra Clones currently have.

Edit: Actually, nvm. I didn't notice that regular paradrop also gives AT infantry now. Unless Paradrop will have its price increased too, i think Airborne shouldn't have its cost increased.

Chitzkoi

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And this one might be considered weird, but i'm asking for Chitzkoi nerf. Why? Because if you're Allies or Epsilon, and if you aren't looking for a moment, he can easily kill your repair units. Doesn't happen to Soviets, since their repair units always repair automatically. Happened to me when i had 2 repair Stingers and Chitzkoi first jumped into one of them, and before i managed to do anything, he was already in the second one, then killed all of my Gatling Tanks and Archers. All i could do is watch... Later it happened again, but this time i'm not sure how many of the large group of Stingers i had were with engineers.
It doesn't have to be a serious nerf, just something so he takes a bit more time to kill one unit, so non-soviet sides have a better chance to react with their repair units if they have them (and i'm afraid to think what a monster he must be against non-soviets on game speed 6...).

USA vs China

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A way to make USA (and Allies, but USA has most problems with it) able to deal with Nuwas more easily migth be reducing Chrono Legionaire cost to 1000, since they most likely won't get anything new for that. Of course, this would mean their firepower has to be reduced probably by 50% or 75%, but it would allow the player to have 3 Chrono Leigionaires for 2 Nuwas (2 Legionaires per each Nuwa if no Industrial Plant), and make Chrono Legionaire IFV cheaper.

Edited by mevitar, 24 February 2014 - 06:41 PM.

[Toveena]

Humvees could use some sensors, else they don't provide much contribution in the field.(2-slots-infantry carrier? seriously lol)

[Admiral_Pit]

Mev has a point on all those.  The only thing I'm looking at more of is that I believe pressing G on your allied/Epsilon repair units may make it act like a repair drone that automatically repairs nearby damaged units.  

 

And I'm aware of USA having literally nothing to stop Nuwa spam if it happens.  All it takes is for the China player to set up good defenses (EMP mines for example, but I don't see many players besides me use those) long enough til the Nuwas come around, meaning that if USA doesn't rush and keep up the pressure to stop them from either getting to T3, or cripple their econ, the USA player is done for.

[mevitar]

But you have to press G each time after they stop moving (better to keep them constantly on move). Even if you press G, there is a short delay between the command and units entering guard mode. Perhaps Archon might be able to survive that delay, but i don't think that Stryker, Tsurugi and Stinger will once Chitzkoi gets in them (didn't in my case ).

Edited by mevitar, 01 March 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

What the hell is scavenger mod? The website doesn't seem to have information on all the game modes.

[Petya]

In Scavengers you can't build armored units a.k.a tanks. You have to find them in crates and then you should send them to the CY in order to acquire the technology of the unit.

[Seth]

In Scavengers you can't build armored units a.k.a tanks. You have to find them in crates and then you should send them to the CY grinder in order to acquire the technology of the unit.

There, fixed for you.

[Ale]

About Scavenger, China has EMP Pulse which is quite useful since everyone spam tanks.

[Toveena]

Since Humvee is becoming a T3 unit(bloodhound upgrade moved to T3), giving 1 extra doesn't really change the fact that Humvee is still crappy.

    How bout keeping the same quantity and install perhaps some of these upgrades for it instead:

 

    1. Add sensor (Match the role with robo tank).

    2. Add healing ring of Drakuv (Good Synergy with airborne, make it faster healing with lesser amount to keep the overall heal/sec rate

        the same,maybe)

    3. Passenger slots become Opentopped (Squishy Humvee with kiting maneuverability)

    4. Add HP (No-brainer yet vital, not much is needed perhaps +20~30)

Edited by Toveena, 08 March 2014 - 06:17 AM.