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[MrFreeze777]

Remember when grizzleys were mind control immune? XD And does EMP on mastermind release its victims?

Yes they do, even the slightest EMP from Tesla Cruiser will release mind control from Mastermind. Same goes for Chrono Legionnaire's and Charon Tank's weapons on Mastermind.

[Black/Brunez]

And does EMP on mastermind release its victims?

 

Yes

[X1Destroy]

Warhawks are weak and nobody will send masterminds alone, that's for sure.

Maybe, an AT drone with low hitpoint but fast speed and small range attack will take care of that.

EA have Charons while PF have good artillery vehicles, but USA only option is the Mercury, but it is nearly useless against vehicles.

Bulldog spam is clearly not an effective option.

Now I kinda miss it, the vanilla robot tank. It's suck against infantry, but can still crush them. Its gun was so good at dealing with masterminds, miners and even ships.
 

Edited by X1Destroy, 21 June 2014 - 12:16 AM.

[Haxxan]

How to beat Mind Control Unit Spam: Mass Basic infantry

[Protozoan]

Warhawks are weak and nobody will send masterminds alone, that's for sure.

Maybe, an AT drone with low hitpoint but fast speed and small range attack will take care of that.

EA have Charons while PF have good artillery vehicles, but USA only option is the Mercury, but it is nearly useless against vehicles.

Bulldog spam is clearly not an effective option.

Now I kinda miss it, the vanilla robot tank. It's suck against infantry, but can still crush them. Its gun was so good at dealing with masterminds, miners and even ships.
 

 

I guess you would have to strike quickly in the match, like you would with China or Pacific Front. I would still use Warhawks for hit and run, simply just to slow them down and gain momentum with resources. Now that it will take longer to reach T3, people will have more time to utilize T2 units, and I think this will be the most effective option against PC if you're the US. The point is, you're not trying to deal with them at T3, you're trying to deal with them as soon as possible, rushing them, which is USA's strategy usually. By the time both players reach T3, they should both be weakened that one or the other will likely not be able to build a large enough force to just steamroll. But then sometimes it's just the map, where you're not able to pull off those tactics properly, then I'm afraid there is pretty much nothing you can do but avoid those maps.

 

But maybe you're talking about 2v2's or higher, I never play them so people building two large armies and then clashing never occurs for me in 1v1s, which is where the true competitiveness is.

 

How to beat Mind Control Unit Spam: Mass Basic infantry

 

That might be effective if the person using mind control didn't have Duneriders, Basilisks or Libra in their arsenal. Not to mention that when they have the Cloning Vats, they will probably vastly outnumber the Soviet Infantry with their own. Pointless to even mention Allied basic Infantry.

 

Long-range or early harassment is the most effective in my opinion.

[Atomic_Noodles]

So the problem still ends up being who has the better amount of Artillery Units...

[Protozoan]

So the problem still ends up being who has the better amount of Artillery Units...

 

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Edited by Protozoan, 21 June 2014 - 09:52 AM.

[Atomic_Noodles]

How to beat the sudden increase of the enemies forces while your forces are also diminishing (from being mind controlled)

[Tyhednus]

How to beat the sudden increase of the enemies forces while your forces are also diminishing (from being mind controlled)

And then we come back to how I got my suggestion.

[Petya]

I don't know whether you answered your question in your question or not, but I have to tell that I didn't even get what you wanted.

[Tyhednus]

Okay so maybe the Guardian drone from MO 2.0 can return then for the Allies as AT MC counter?

[X1Destroy]

Yes, playing as USA vs PC on Russian Roulete map...........Impossible.

I'll see if this could be changed in some other way.
 

 

 

Okay so maybe the Guardian drone from MO 2.0 can return then for the Allies as AT MC counter?

That is what I want to have, really. It will work. Since the drone is weak against infantry and don't stand long against heavy tanks, it won't be OP even if it's spammable.

Should be immuned to emp and radiation as well.

 

Edited by X1Destroy, 21 June 2014 - 12:04 PM.

[Atomic_Noodles]

Robot Tank + Guardian Drone Spam incoming...

 

Granted this has been somewhat discussed back in the past as people mentioned how Anti-MC seem to only cater specifically against Infantry. The Mastermind still poses some threat as they're resistant to attacks from the Stinger & Robot Tank

[lovalmidas]

I don't mind a return of the Guardian Drone (read: MO2.0's Defender Drone ). If the damage output is not large, they won't replace T1 MBTs as the main combat force. I would also expect them not to be available at the T1 level. And not stealthed.

Then people will say Soviets need moar anti-mind control weapons. At sea I agree. On land, nuh-uh-uh.

[fff]

Oh yeah the Defenders! i remember those robots units (don't know where u got the "guardian" name ) but those would be an awesome addition to the allied arsenal, could have the same attributions that robot tanks have except invisibility and Amphibious of course!

It could be the bigger brother of the robot tank which focuses on vehicles instead of infantry unlike robot tanks.
This unit is T2 with these statuses

Defender Robot tank/Defender Drone or Guardian Drone (name can be discussed)

• Cost: $700
• Speed: 8
• Hitpoints: 300
• Armor Class: Light

• Prerequisite: Allied War Factory, Air Force Command
• Purpose: Light Anti-Armor
• Weapons: Small anti-tank cannon
• Range: 5.5

• Immune to poison.
• Immune to radiation                    
• Immune to mind control & chaos.
• Can fire on the move.
• Cannot be hijacked.
• Driver cannot be killed.

Edited by fff, 21 June 2014 - 05:04 PM.

[Tyhednus]

That sounds like a great idea. But why not one on land for the Soviets? Are they Op then?

[fff]

But the soviets already have the terror drones which is both anti-armor and anti-infantry...

[doctormedic]

and lets not forget the stinger is basicaly the best anti spy unit with both detection and anti infantry ranged damage

[mevitar]

As if Robot Tank didn't have that.

[Black/Brunez]

Red Alert follows a very simple concept about the Nazis: No Hitler = No Nazis = No WWII on the way we know. And what happend on the first Red Alert game is still considered canon.

 

And Israeli Nazis? Is that a kind of joke? Not only the fact that this is extremally silly, but we would also need to trow all the story which was wrote for the mod and all the missions on the trash bin.