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[Drezalnor]

I wonder if there is scope for some battles between the Foehn Revolt and the Epsilon Army to occur in space(Take Epsilon's Martian base for example).We could also have Foehn set up facilities around Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus and Neptune (On their moons,to be more precise).That would be something exciting,to say the least.Epsilon on the other hand could set up extra bases on Mercury and Venus.

You mean Lunar base, not Martian base.

No point for both factions to even conquer other planets and their moons, as there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them. Epsilon only took over the Moon to make a fortress wherein they experiment with Libra and her clones without interference until the Soviets arrived (which is implied in many missions and briefings such as Earthrise and Dance of Blood).

My bad.I made an honest mistake there.

But seriously,Foehn still has enough incentive to invest in a space program and FTL travel,and after all they initially planned to steal Epsilon shuttles to escape to space.(Reference-The Great Beyond)(Considering Epsilon has a headstart on them in this regard,not to mention the MO Device.).That will lead to Epsilon pursuing them across the cosmos,and Foehn fighting hard to set up new Bastions and shaking them off.Assuming Foehn win sometime in the future,that opens up several more possibilities.(Like internecine revolts in the colony worlds resulting in a full-blown rebellion,against which Foehn takes up arms-though it's beginning to sound like Ground Control or Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare).

"As there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them"-I am not a foul tempered person,but those words just pushed me past the line.How do you know there is no ore on the moons of the other planets?And as for strategic importance,right now there is none,but with time,as they build spaceports and other facilities,there will be.And anyone who is not convinced is asking for an incoming Diverbee swarm.

BotRot,the next time you give me a BS reply like that,think thrice before typing.I bet you didn't see that coming.

Edited by Drezalnor, 28 March 2020 - 04:41 AM.

[Hardric62]

 

 

I wonder if there is scope for some battles between the Foehn Revolt and the Epsilon Army to occur in space(Take Epsilon's Martian base for example).We could also have Foehn set up facilities around Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus and Neptune (On their moons,to be more precise).That would be something exciting,to say the least.Epsilon on the other hand could set up extra bases on Mercury and Venus.

You mean Lunar base, not Martian base.

No point for both factions to even conquer other planets and their moons, as there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them. Epsilon only took over the Moon to make a fortress wherein they experiment with Libra and her clones without interference until the Soviets arrived (which is implied in many missions and briefings such as Earthrise and Dance of Blood).

My bad.I made an honest mistake there.

But seriously,Foehn still has enough incentive to invest in a space program and FTL travel,and after all they initially planned to steal Epsilon shuttles to escape to space.(Reference-The Great Beyond)(Considering Epsilon has a headstart on them in this regard,not to mention the MO Device.).That will lead to Epsilon pursuing them across the cosmos,and Foehn fighting hard to set up new Bastions and shaking them off.Assuming Foehn win sometime in the future,that opens up several more possibilities.(Like internecine revolts in the colony worlds resulting in a full-blown rebellion,against which Foehn takes up arms-though it's beginning to sound like Ground Control or Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare).

"As there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them"-I am not a foul tempered person,but those words just pushed me past the line.How do you know there is no ore on the moons of the other planets?And as for strategic importance,right now there is none,but with time,as they build spaceports and other facilities,there will be.And anyone who is not convinced is asking for an incoming Diverbee swarm.

BotRot,the next time you give me a BS reply like that,think thrice before typing.I bet you didn't see that coming.

 

I think remaining polite yourself would be something to do to. These sorts of things are two-ways streets.

 

As for the FTL thingie... While I'd pay good money to see a Foehn/Mass Effect crossover like Peptuck's Renegade with GDI, fact is, there is no FTL yet. So no space anything more than the Moon for now, and while maybe the place has mineral ressources, it would remain a titanic endeavour, especially when starting from near-zero  in terms of spacecraft... A resource sink a small resistance ove on Earth simply can't afford, without talking about Epsilon's head-start here (it will be nice enough already to launch Coronia and the orbital weaponry used by the Revolt's Quetzal).

Edited by Hardric62, 28 March 2020 - 07:33 PM.

[Drezalnor]

I wonder if there is scope for some battles between the Foehn Revolt and the Epsilon Army to occur in space(Take Epsilon's Martian base for example).We could also have Foehn set up facilities around Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus and Neptune (On their moons,to be more precise).That would be something exciting,to say the least.Epsilon on the other hand could set up extra bases on Mercury and Venus.

You mean Lunar base, not Martian base.

No point for both factions to even conquer other planets and their moons, as there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them. Epsilon only took over the Moon to make a fortress wherein they experiment with Libra and her clones without interference until the Soviets arrived (which is implied in many missions and briefings such as Earthrise and Dance of Blood).

My bad.I made an honest mistake there.

But seriously,Foehn still has enough incentive to invest in a space program and FTL travel,and after all they initially planned to steal Epsilon shuttles to escape to space.(Reference-The Great Beyond)(Considering Epsilon has a headstart on them in this regard,not to mention the MO Device.).That will lead to Epsilon pursuing them across the cosmos,and Foehn fighting hard to set up new Bastions and shaking them off.Assuming Foehn win sometime in the future,that opens up several more possibilities.(Like internecine revolts in the colony worlds resulting in a full-blown rebellion,against which Foehn takes up arms-though it's beginning to sound like Ground Control or Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare).

"As there is no ore or strategic importance in any of them"-I am not a foul tempered person,but those words just pushed me past the line.How do you know there is no ore on the moons of the other planets?And as for strategic importance,right now there is none,but with time,as they build spaceports and other facilities,there will be.And anyone who is not convinced is asking for an incoming Diverbee swarm.

BotRot,the next time you give me a BS reply like that,think thrice before typing.I bet you didn't see that coming.

I think remaining polite yourself would be something to do to. These sorts of things are two-ways streets.

As for the FTL thingie... While I'd pay good money to see a Foehn/Mass Effect crossover like Peptuck's Renegade with GDI, fact is, there is no FTL yet. So no space anything more than the Moon for now, and while maybe the place has mineral ressources, it would remain a titanic endeavour, especially when starting from near-zero in terms of spacecraft... A resource sink a small resistance ove on Earth simply can't afford, without talking about Epsilon's head-start here (it will be nice enough already to launch Coronia and the orbital weaponry used by the Revolt's Quetzal).

Well,as I said,the only way to press my buttons is a poorly thought argument.And if everyone were civil enough,it would be good.

It is going to get pretty long,so I packed it up in a spoiler.

Spoiler

I know that too.There is no way Foehn can develop a space program in Act 3, considering everything.However,if they win the Second Antarctic Battle(at the end of Act 3,assumably) and force Epsilon to relocate to Mars(the Lunar Base is practically a wreck),then they will have to speed up work on their space fleet and other space tech.After all,the Epsilon Army is not a can you can kick down the street.They will return(with new stuff,presumably) angrier than ever,hungry for vengeance.Though all of this could take at least a century to develop.Maybe sometime in the second half of the 22nd century(2150-2200),Foehn will have fully functional Lunar Bases and a notable spacefleet,while Epsilon will have re-established themselves on Mars and its moons,with their own spacefleet.

All this will mark the beginning of a potential Act 4-The Martian War.

Though I don't know if the Mentalmeisters will take note-I don't even know if they even keep tabs on this thread,it feels so abandoned.This idea could be ignored,just like that.If by any chance,they take it seriously and work on it,it would be really awesome.

Here are the timeframe estimates I made:

The Mental Omega War ends in 1984.My assumption is Foehn will remain underground for at least 10-20 years.That puts the Revolt's establishment somewhere between 1994 and 2004.Judging military capabilities,I feel it will take 20 years for Foehn to drive off the Epsilon Army from Earth.That means,somewhere between 2014 and 2024,Earth will be liberated from the Epsilon yoke.Let me assume it would take at least 90 years for Foehn to complete a preliminary space program capable of building a spacefleet and terraforming the Moon.So sometime between 2204 and 2214 Foehn will be ready to touch the stars.Expansion of the spacefleet and and building Lunar facilities could be done in the next 40 years,presumably.So somewhere between 2244 and 2254,Foehn can finally hope to catch a breath.That is,until 15 years later(sometime between 2259-2269),an unknown frigate-sized vessel stumbles into Foehn space,with the all too familiar purple sigil emblazoned on its sides,with a design characteristic of their hated enemies.For about 3 years(Sometime between 2262-2272),the Revolt conducts recon operations,which confirms their worst fears-the Epsilon Army has set up shop on Mars and its two moons and has a fully functional spacefleet.

August (Sometime between 2262-2272)
The Lunar Bases are put on high alert.Troops are mobilized.The spacefleet is readied.It is only a matter of time before the calm of the cosmos is disturbed by intense stellar engagements and dropships depart from command ships to the surface of Mars,deploying soldiers,vehicles,aircraft and MCVs,ready to fight for their belief in human freedom.

The Martian War beckons,my fellow Revolutionaries!

Oh,I forgot a few things.

Spoiler

In the course of all these years,the Foehn Revolt could undergo appreciable changes in their arsenal and their technological approaches.They could start making inroads into bionics,bioengineering,biomechatronics,nanobiotechnology,nanobiomaterials and ethical biotechnology along with nanotechnology.Their forces could take on a more nature-oriented,biological appearance,with plenty of graceful curves and several shades of green,with hues of blue(Think of the units of the Harmony Affinity from Sid Meier's Civilization:Beyond Earth.However,they will not use any biomunitions,rather,they will be energy-based munitions.).

As for Epsilon,they could foray into xenobiology,xenogenetics,xenomaterials and dark matter weapons.Their units could be designed to have a sharp,aggressive,sinister appearance with plenty of angled planes and faces.They could have streaks and dashes of black in their color scheme,along with the standard purple.(Try to think of the units of the Supremacy Affinity from Sid Meier's Civilization:Beyond Earth.The yellow in the units can be replaced with purple and most of the black can be replaced with the dusty brown of Epsilon,with some black left in the form of streaks.Some of the units will have energy munitions,some will get biomunitions,and some others will have dark matter weapons.).

In general,there can be more hovering units(infantry and vehicles alike).More aircraft can be of the VTOL variety, hopefully.

And Epsilon could be working on a prototype anti-matter weapon,which they intend to be their gamechanger.However,the research lab for the same could be on Mars or Phobos or Deimos.

Or it may not even be in Martian space.That could set a clock ticking for Foehn yet again,as they race against time to stop this new weapon and hopefully,defeat the Epsilon Army once and for all.

Some more things to mention.

Spoiler

All this talk of things xeno reminds me,Epsilon can actually tame any alien lifeforms they come across and use them for military purposes(Like scouts or cavalry-look up the Xeno Cavalry of the Harmony Affinity in the FANDOM Wiki for Sid Meier's Civilization:Beyond Earth.They could even create titanic xeno-monstrosities-think of the Xeno-Titan from the same game.).

With the models of native alien lifeforms and Epsilon soldiers mounted on the same lifeforms,things will get really interesting.

Phew.That was a lot of mental effort on my part.I hope this will spark off a productive discussion.

Edited by Drezalnor, 29 March 2020 - 06:10 PM.

[MasterLeaf1]

I feel like Norio is the type of guy who will probably end up honorably sacrificing himself to protect innocents or fellow PF soldiers.

 

And I feel like Malver is the type of guy who will personally end up killing another Eppy hero due to rising tensions between the Eppy subfactions.

 

I also feel like Yunru is the type of girl who is going to rebel against the Soviets due to differing agendas and the Soviet commander will get to kill her.

Wait,

1. Norio did stayed separated from rest of the Allies to defend incoming reinforcements from southern hemisphere. Maybe he got killed that time.

3. Yeah, But she didn't rebel from Chinese intentionally as they kinda removed Yunru from their ranks. Also in Thread Of Death as Soviet commander we get to kill Yunru but ends in a... I don't wanna speak about it. (R.I.P Morales).

2. As Scorpian Cell defected from Epsilon and Malver is alive there is a chance he could kill Rahn (Not Libra because she is a main part in Mental Omega Device). As this is one of a dev's post maybe there is a chance.

 

#FoehnSoundTracksAreCool 

[Drezalnor]

The heck?!This thread has been dead for roughly 4 months now.

[temerarus]

Follwing previous suggestions of the community, a very special support power for the Foehn could be an "Orbital Bombardment", with an effect similar to the Midas. The trick could be to have to necessarily capture heavely guarded rocket launchpads present in the map/mission/challenge.

[Handepsilon]

Don't you think the Quetzal is enough tho?

[Flandre]

Anyway might rewake this thread regardless if discord exist since it gets buried there anyway.

 

I do wonder how "wide" is the de-sync effect cause by the Paradox Engine? Does it surrounded only the Point Hope? Or does it included the "first" Foehn base outskirts? Also makes me wonder if the Revolt will still bother using the combine allied-soviet arsenal or not.

[Moonreaper666]

Last Bastion should use Allied/US Remnants and the music 'The Last Line of Defense'

LB is led by Carville (he probably called dibs on naming certain LB units) with Tanya as his enforcer (Tanya wears Power Armor and has her Laser Rifle Upgraded)

(Strange that Alaska is the LB when MO can't reach the Moon which is controlled by Foehn)

Wings of Coronia should use the Soviet Moon Arsenal and 'Stormbringer'

WoC should have Cyborg Boris then later Ressurected Super-Volkov and the Cyborg Dog

Hailhead should use Chinese, Scorpion Cell and PF units as well as 'Remnant of a Distant Future'

Malver works for Hailhead. He has teleportation and can hide nearby allies. His attack is now effective against buildings as well as hits more often

As Foehn expands and destroys more Psychic Beacons/Amplifiers the 'Time Stop' does expand but also loses potency as time goes on and Epsilon uses countermeasures

Yunru merges with Volknet gaining new abilities as well as becoming stronger, becoming a 'god' just like Libra and the Epsilon Commander

AFTER eradicating Epsilon, Foehn will make and use a Time-Machine to prevent ALL the World Wars! This will ERASE EVERYONE FROM THE TIMELINE!!!

Epilogue is a child Albert Einstein using Advanced technology in the 1880s to help mankind solve its problems and colonize Space. A young Lenin and Stalin watch in awe and befriend him (Changing their fates for the better)

Edited by Moonreaper666, 02 November 2021 - 07:10 AM.

[Handepsilon]

Time Machine is a no. This was talked about multiple times already.

 

Also, I think we don't need even more animesque plotline.

[Moonreaper666]

Time Machine is a no. This was talked about multiple times already.

Also, I think we don't need even more animesque plotline.

So Foehn is okay living in a world in which BILLIONS died and the rest all are poor and have PTSD? Earth being a ruined, polluted wasteland?

Chicago gone. Moscow gone. Entire cities burned to ashes

That isn't something anyone can recover from. Covid has done significant damage and it PALES IN COMPARISON to WW3

Name one GOOD/PLAUSIBLE reason Foehn won't use the Time Machine to prevent WW1, WW2 AND WW3!?

[Flandre]

Einstein is the "one" who made the time machine and very likely the design went with him to the grave (or don't even know anyway). Siegfried doesn't even know that aside from the chrono-based research done by his professor during the 2nd war which he improved at some point.

[Handepsilon]

 

Name one GOOD/PLAUSIBLE reason Foehn won't use the Time Machine to prevent WW1, WW2 AND WW3!?

 

Not inventable by Foehn

[Flandre]

 

 

Name one GOOD/PLAUSIBLE reason Foehn won't use the Time Machine to prevent WW1, WW2 AND WW3!?

 

Not inventable by Foehn

 

I don't think that is a reasonable excuse though. Sure the story wants to avoid it, but without a proper reasoning well someone is gonna point that anyway.

 

Anyway still, I much presume it is likely no one has the "brains" that even Yunru can't match Einstein's in that I guess.

[Moonreaper666]

First things first, Yunru should have secretly built Cloning Vats to increase the size of her personal Army. Just like how Yuri stole from the Soviets she too steals from Yuri

I'm surprised that the ROC rebels didn't join Foehn during the 1st Mission. Foehn should also recruit a few Latin Confederation units as well (sick of Soviet infighting and paranoia these LC units join Yunru)

When the Psychic Beacon is destroyed in Mission 2 SOME of the freed Chinese forces defect to Foehn out of gratitude. A few Chinese tanks appear from offmap to join Foehn as well

In Mission 3 there should be a small Russian force that joins Foehn (left behind at the end of Unshakeable)

Mission 4 should have groups of US, Euro Alliance, Russian, LC and Scorpion Cell try to reach the Foehn base. If they make it you get reinforcements (Rashid gets a letter from Malver)

Mission 6 should have Cyborg Vanguards for Foehn

[Flandre]

First things first, Yunru should have secretly built Cloning Vats to increase the size of her personal Army. Just like how Yuri stole from the Soviets she too steals from Yuri

I'm surprised that the ROC rebels didn't join Foehn during the 1st Mission. Foehn should also recruit a few Latin Confederation units as well (sick of Soviet infighting and paranoia these LC units join Yunru)

When the Psychic Beacon is destroyed in Mission 2 SOME of the freed Chinese forces defect to Foehn out of gratitude. A few Chinese tanks appear from offmap to join Foehn as well

In Mission 3 there should be a small Russian force that joins Foehn (left behind at the end of Unshakeable)

Mission 4 should have groups of US, Euro Alliance, Russian, LC and Scorpion Cell try to reach the Foehn base. If they make it you get reinforcements (Rashid gets a letter from Malver)

Mission 6 should have Cyborg Vanguards for Foehn

Do you even played or read the whole plot of the campaign?

[Moonreaper666]

First things first, Yunru should have secretly built Cloning Vats to increase the size of her personal Army. Just like how Yuri stole from the Soviets she too steals from Yuri

I'm surprised that the ROC rebels didn't join Foehn during the 1st Mission. Foehn should also recruit a few Latin Confederation units as well (sick of Soviet infighting and paranoia these LC units join Yunru)

When the Psychic Beacon is destroyed in Mission 2 SOME of the freed Chinese forces defect to Foehn out of gratitude. A few Chinese tanks appear from offmap to join Foehn as well

In Mission 3 there should be a small Russian force that joins Foehn (left behind at the end of Unshakeable)

Mission 4 should have groups of US, Euro Alliance, Russian, LC and Scorpion Cell try to reach the Foehn base. If they make it you get reinforcements (Rashid gets a letter from Malver)

Mission 6 should have Cyborg Vanguards for Foehn

Do you even played or read the whole plot of the campaign?

Yes, half of it doesn't make senss

[Handepsilon]

It kinda makes more sense than the scenarios you've been describing here, which were too idealistic and too cheesy. It all hinges on everyone and everything flocking to support Yunru and her posse, a group which, I might add, are all but traitors and renegade to nearly all the factions. Let's recap :

 

- KI and PF that were with Yunru pretty much backstabbed Allied by siding with Chinese in Act 1

- Yunru and her Chinese regiment betrayed Chinese

- Rashidi and the Scorpion Cell betrayed Epsilon

 

It's too idealistic to think that all sides will band together at once without any form of repercussions, especially with all the deep grudges they have with each others, and all their differing agendas. The Allied wants to get things back to normal pre-Third Great War. The Soviet wants revenge against the Allied and Yuri, and to conquer the world for their communistic ideals. The Revolt only wanted to stop Yuri by any means necessary.

 

Sure, they all hate Yuri, but their differences will not unite them until the very last minute.

[Moonreaper666]

It's strange that the Allies and Einstein did not suspect the Soviets for Operation Archetype

Assuming Einstein is not a retard (and knows he changed time before), he would have SECRETLY build a SINGLE-USE Time Manchine and entrust it to Siegfried. The Apprentice would only use it WHEN EVERYTHING GOES TO HELL. It will send the ENTIRE Allied Faction back to the start of RA1/WW2!

I assume Siegfried would use the Time-Machine after Beautiful Mind (Only he knows of the Time-Machine) as the nuking of Chicago was a crippling blow to the US and Euro Alliance

The MO Allies super-upgrade their RA1 counterparts and curbstomp the RA1 Soviets (GIs slaughter RA1 Infantry while Prism Tanks wipeout entire Soviet Bases with ease)

The RA1 Allies don't make the same mistakes. Without the Soviets Yuri does not have the resources and time/distraction to build his own Army

(Foehn would do something similar after defeating Epsilon. Create a Time-Machine and go back to 3500 BCE Ancient Sumeria to help the past humans)

It's not Idealism but Pragmatism. I thought the Soviet Commander was describe as competent by Yuri himself?

The SC should have made a SECRET ceasfire with the US Rebels after Yuri betrayed the Soviets

The Allies should have used their Psychic Beacon in Rome/Puppet Master to protect the Soviets forces there from mind-control IN EXCHANGE for them helping the Allies in some way (Those Terror Drones are great in reducing Allied casualties)

Yunru should have analyzed Cloning Vats and made her own in secret, before Act 1, so she can multiply her Army size. Chinese, Pacific Front, Scorpion Cell, American and Euro Remnants are MULTIPLIED!

(Pacific Front should have secretly built their own Cloning Vats. In Unshakaeble, Noriko copies the data so the Allies can make their own)

In Heartwork and Threat of Dread Yunru helps the Russians/Latins in exchange for resources or Terror/Repair Drones. Soviet Commander agrees as he needs more Cyborgs and the ability to make Knightframes than Minerals

-Yunru's agent provides Krukov/Reznor the override codes for the Cyborgs and Proto-Knightframes. Half of the Cyborgs and disabled Knightframes go to the Russians while the other half goes to Yunru

-Threat of Dread, Yunru promises to tell the Soviet Commander something important if he protects her forces until they evacuate. She tells him of Mental Omega and the need to destroy it or get off Earth

-At the end of Threat of Dread, Yunru uses her MIDAS to blow up Antartica, destroying much of the defenses and defenders around Mental Omega

-Having more Cyborgs plus the ability to make more Cyborgs and Knightframes allows the Soviets to attack both Moscow and Antartica at the same time!

-Yunru should have recruited some or all of the ROC Rebels during Mission 1. All of her Conscripts are turned into Knightframes. Foehn has Cyborg Vanguards and can turn the sick, old and wounded into Cyborgs (with free will) She has much more forces thanks to Cloning

-In Mission 2, destroying the Psychic Beacon causes some of the freed Chinese to defect to Foehn

-There should be Russian forces in Japan. Some of them are so disillusioned by Soviet infighting that they defect to Foehn in Mission 3. PF and Foehn Cloning Vats pump out more Foehn soldiers

-Destroying a Psychic Beacon in Mission 4 frees some of the Russians whom quickly join Foehn. More Cloning Vats to rapidly build up their forces

-Having Russian, Cyborg and ROC forces as well as extra Chinese forces would help in Missions 5 and 6. Cloning Vats work overtime to mass-produce troops

-Foehn is much more powerful and grows much quicker during the De-Sync

[Handepsilon]

It's strange that the Allies and Einstein did not suspect the Soviets for Operation Archetype

Assuming Einstein is not a retard (and knows he changed time before), he would have SECRETLY build a SINGLE-USE Time Manchine and entrust it to Siegfried. The Apprentice would only use it WHEN EVERYTHING GOES TO HELL. It will send the ENTIRE Allied Faction back to the start of RA1/WW2!

I assume Siegfried would use the Time-Machine after Beautiful Mind (Only he knows of the Time-Machine) as the nuking of Chicago was a crippling blow to the US and Euro Alliance

From The Gardener briefing :
 
After the last war, Einstein came to the opinion that meddling with the forces of time and space was dangerous and unethical. Haunted by the ghosts of those who had perished in course of the experiment, Einstein decided before he died to encrypt nearly all the data to the project, and without a mind like his, the project would forever be on hold. But he and his friends knew the forces of freedom may have need of the Chronosphere again.

 

Also, just because he's competent, doesn't mean the Soviet General was completely pragmatic. Like it or not, everyone had their agenda, and they don't always align with what should've been done. These people are after all, still human. They have their own views, and sometimes, those views will clash with each others.

 

Allied and Soviet will NEVER help each others due to bad blood between them. Scorpion Cell would NEVER ally with the Allies or Soviet due to seeing them as foreign invaders. Chinese would NEVER help traitors such as Yunru. None of those scenarios would make sense so early in the story.

 

And again, Cloning Vats has a big moral implications regarding them, and so far only Russians and Latins were able to use them, until Yuri took the technology away and sealed them for good. I cannot see anyone, even Yunru, would use them if only for their utility. Besides, if Yuri could so easily sabotage the one in Spain, there's no telling what catastrophe would occur if he did it again.