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[Solais]

Would be interesting if the "final boss" of Act 3 would be the Proselyte. Basically, you'd have to defeat yourself.

 

Would be also interesting if it was like RA Allied Mission 2 and 4, in one mission you build up your base, and in the other, you have to destroy the same base.

 

I'm kinda guessing if how Act 3 would play out gameplay wise. I think it could work if instead of Foehn Only, there would be a sort of switch between the two factions; one mission Foehn, then next mission Epsilon, and then a final mission which would be Foehn. OR, the final mission would have two versions: One where you bring Foehn to victory while the other, you control the Epsilon, and you decide the end of the story.

 

Actually, I wonder if there's a way to branch missions. Like what you do in the penultimate mission will lead to you either bringing the Foehn or the Epsilon to victory in the final mission.

[aethiraes]

Seeing the Proselyte, Libra, Malver, and other strong psychics team up to take down Yuri would be fun.

And it could theoretically lead to Libra taking charge if she betrays Malver and the Proselyte, leaving her as the most powerful psychic in Epsilon's ranks now that Yuri and Malver are dead. In a case of Asskicking Equals Authority nobody is brave enough to challenge the mentally unstable and badass as all hell Libra for the leadership of Epsilon even though there would be a few Proselytes left standing after the fight.

It could even lead to a few of the psychics in Epsilon's ranks to defect to the Foehn Revolt giving rise to the Zorbtrotters (whose air manipulation abilities have been rumored in-universe to be the result of psychic powers and not a personal windflow manipulator as the unit description says).

Hearing the idea that an overuse of chrono-tech causes the assault on Antarctica to fail... I'd like to see that if it means a whole bunch of chrono vortexes show up and wreak havoc! Imagine having to try pushing forward in the middle of that mess!
...And just when you think you're nearly there... the Death's Hand rocket lands and wipes you off the map as well.

If we successfully defend the Death's Hand though, that would mean the Soviet commander survives where the other two die. I'm not sure the MO team would try that sort of unbalanced result; it would have people asking why we don't get yet another Soviet campaign alongside Foehn's emergence... unless it then becomes apparent that he/she promptly joins Foehn and becomes their commander.

As someone else said on the forums it's possible that all three Act 1 and Act 2 commanders end up in charge of Foehn's three subfactions. The Allied Commander, due to his expertise in defending, is put in charge of the Last Bastion base, the Soviet Commander takes control of the Coronia, due to his offensive prowess, and the Epsilon Proselyte (after barely escaping Libra's betrayal) is put in charge of Haihead due to his in-depth knowledge of Epsilon operations.

Haihead would be better suited for Soviets, because they're the offense faction as opposed to Coronia.

The MADMAN is based off of a Soviet design after all.

This would place the Proselyte as Coronia, which supports the theory that Zorbs are actually psychics.

To Divine, Coronia is reminiscent of PsiCorps. They both focus on mobility and all-terrain assaults. If you're talking about why there shouldn't be more psychicsin Foehn, there's an answer to that. If you were trying to end a mind-controlling psychic empire, why would you train more potential mind-controlling psychics. The Zorbs might be taught the bare minimum telekinesis to manipulate air and nothing more to prevent the knowledge of mind control from being passed down.

[Divine]

To Divine, Coronia is reminiscent of PsiCorps. They both focus on mobility and all-terrain assaults. If you're talking about why there shouldn't be more psychicsin Foehn, there's an answer to that. If you were trying to end a mind-controlling psychic empire, why would you train more potential mind-controlling psychics. The Zorbs might be taught the bare minimum telekinesis to manipulate air and nothing more to prevent the knowledge of mind control from being passed down.

 

There's more than just mind control. Pyrokinesis (used by Initiates as their main weapon), magnetic levitation and beams, mind reading as a means of reconaissance (can be done by machines too, appearently), as well as more generic Epsilon stuff like genetic manipulation, or viral warfare. Or the awesome and no doubt very useful hover boards of the Dune Riders. Foehn isn't exactly picky when they choose their weapons, so why would they reject all of these? 

[Handepsilon]

The same can also be said to a lot of Foehn's weaponries with Allied and Soviet, and it is logical. As it was said in Phantasm MRLS, the Mirage technology was one of the things lost in chaos.

It's not exactly easy to bring the entire technology of a single faction with you. If that was the case, Yuri, with his fascination on Tesla technology as hinted in Wormqueen, would've weaponized it a lot more than a stolen faction unit. If indeed the Proselyte ended up in Foehn, chances are in terms of tech, he's only going to be able to offer basic psychic and some basic knowledges about PsiCorps technology rather than all the scientific mumbo jumbo, including the apparatus used by the Initiates or the genetic manipulation on Archer/Brute

Edited by Handepsilon, 11 January 2017 - 12:22 AM.

[CLAlstar]

"Weapons: Personal Windflow Manipulator"

 

No psionic tech included.

[umbracatervae]

I'm agree if the Proselyte sooner or later may turn on Yuri after knows a shocking revelation about Mental Omega Device. Perhaps the fragmentation inside Epsilon is started by some commanders make a separation moves, just like Nod which always have a separatist issues.

 

How about Rashidi? is he will be always loyal or has an agenda for his own?

 

And what is this mysterious mecha?

 

Spoiler

[Damfoos]

I guess it is the Tengu from Tengu Strike power, which existed at some point of BR2 development and was cut later.

Or maybe it is actually some Foehn unit, either replaced by something else or planned to appear later.

Edited by Damfoos, 11 January 2017 - 09:36 AM.

[umbracatervae]

Oh too bad.

 

Perhaps it will be a Foehn unit, or Pacific Front secret robot just like Paladin Tank, and would be playable in PF mission (Stormbringer, maybe)

Edited by umbracatervae, 11 January 2017 - 10:13 AM.

[Solais]

I'm sure at one point Rashidi will rebel somewhere in Act 2. He just seems a little disconnected from the Epsilon agenda, and likely was more about the money.

[Handepsilon]

Well, for now there's still no sign of rebellion yet, with how Ghost Hunt goes and Malver involved in Divergence

[Wayward Winds]

Scorpion Cell's always struck me as a little detached from Epsilon as a whole; they joined to drive the Allies out of Africa, not to mind control the entire world.

 

My personal guess is that even if Rashidi was brought into Yuri's plan (at least partially) and decides to stick with him out of some twisted interest in the fascinating technology Yuri is letting him work on (possibly up to and including work that will make the Mental Omega possible), a good portion of Scorpion Cell isn't in on the plan, won't like it and will try a little rebellion when they find out.  And probably fail as well.

(Also remember that the Dybbuk Seizer is shown mind controlling Scorpion Cell units in the 3rd unit showcase... not to mention it requires Epsilon to infiltrate Epsilon.  Could just be coincidental, or could actually be hinting at a Yuri/Scorpion Cell split.)

 

With regards to Malver, remember that Yuri rigged his chimera core with a remotely triggered self destruct because he was aware that Malver's loyalty is specifically to Rashidi and not to Epsilon.  Yuri is prepared for a betrayal just in case; it may just be a contingency that he never expects to use, or he could truly suspect that Rashidi will ultimately go rogue.

[aethiraes]

To Divine, Coronia is reminiscent of PsiCorps. They both focus on mobility and all-terrain assaults. If you're talking about why there shouldn't be more psychicsin Foehn, there's an answer to that. If you were trying to end a mind-controlling psychic empire, why would you train more potential mind-controlling psychics. The Zorbs might be taught the bare minimum telekinesis to manipulate air and nothing more to prevent the knowledge of mind control from being passed down.

There's more than just mind control. Pyrokinesis (used by Initiates as their main weapon), magnetic levitation and beams, mind reading as a means of reconaissance (can be done by machines too, appearently), as well as more generic Epsilon stuff like genetic manipulation, or viral warfare. Or the awesome and no doubt very useful hover boards of the Dune Riders. Foehn isn't exactly picky when they choose their weapons, so why would they reject all of these?

I should also point out that the similarities between Coronia and PsiCorps I mentioned, the reliance on mobility, is a similarity in military strategy.

If the Proselyte defects, he's more likely to remember how PsiCorps operates as a faction as opposed to the inner workings of their weapons. What military general precisely knows the mechanisms of a nuclear bomb, besides drop it and it goes boom?

[lovalmidas]

"Weapons: Personal Windflow Manipulator"

 

No psionic tech included.

 

Well, the human body is a personal windflow manipulator...

[Divine]

Of course the Proselyte has no clue about how the advanced technologies at his/her disposal work, but I assumed that the he/she won't defect alone, and will bring weapons that can be then reverse engineered. But frankly, the thought that anyone of the Epsilon will have anything to do with the Foehn makes me shiver. Epsilon topples the world's superpowers and builds an empire from nothing, all while they are outnumbered about 1000 to 1, and outgunned even more. Epsilon does this with incredible skill and cunning, and before the Epsilon becomes a standalone faction, all they have is mind control, no wonderous nanites, or semi-indestructiable armor suits and tanks, no invincible base, or in fact, no base at all in most cases. Foehn on the other hand, seems to be Mary Sue: the faction, and I dislike them intensely for this reason.

[Handepsilon]

To Divine, Coronia is reminiscent of PsiCorps. They both focus on mobility and all-terrain assaults. If you're talking about why there shouldn't be more psychicsin Foehn, there's an answer to that. If you were trying to end a mind-controlling psychic empire, why would you train more potential mind-controlling psychics. The Zorbs might be taught the bare minimum telekinesis to manipulate air and nothing more to prevent the knowledge of mind control from being passed down.

There's more than just mind control. Pyrokinesis (used by Initiates as their main weapon), magnetic levitation and beams, mind reading as a means of reconaissance (can be done by machines too, appearently), as well as more generic Epsilon stuff like genetic manipulation, or viral warfare. Or the awesome and no doubt very useful hover boards of the Dune Riders. Foehn isn't exactly picky when they choose their weapons, so why would they reject all of these?

I should also point out that the similarities between Coronia and PsiCorps I mentioned, the reliance on mobility, is a similarity in military strategy.

If the Proselyte defects, he's more likely to remember how PsiCorps operates as a faction as opposed to the inner workings of their weapons. What military general precisely knows the mechanisms of a nuclear bomb, besides drop it and it goes boom?

Somebody like Siegfried or Yuri probably, who would be an extremely rare person.

Edited by Handepsilon, 11 January 2017 - 01:13 PM.

[Handepsilon]

Of course the Proselyte has no clue about how the advanced technologies at his/her disposal work, but I assumed that the he/she won't defect alone, and will bring weapons that can be then reverse engineered. But frankly, the thought that anyone of the Epsilon will have anything to do with the Foehn makes me shiver. Epsilon topples the world's superpowers and builds an empire from nothing, all while they are outnumbered about 1000 to 1, and outgunned even more. Epsilon does this with incredible skill and cunning, and before the Epsilon becomes a standalone faction, all they have is mind control, no wonderous nanites, or semi-indestructiable armor suits and tanks, no invincible base, or in fact, no base at all in most cases. Foehn on the other hand, seems to be Mary Sue: the faction, and I dislike them intensely for this reason.

You're forgetting the fact that Epsilon has campaign and Foehn doesn't have any confirmed backstories yet except for speculations and dropped hint.

Edited by Handepsilon, 11 January 2017 - 01:17 PM.

[Divine]

 

Of course the Proselyte has no clue about how the advanced technologies at his/her disposal work, but I assumed that the he/she won't defect alone, and will bring weapons that can be then reverse engineered. But frankly, the thought that anyone of the Epsilon will have anything to do with the Foehn makes me shiver. Epsilon topples the world's superpowers and builds an empire from nothing, all while they are outnumbered about 1000 to 1, and outgunned even more. Epsilon does this with incredible skill and cunning, and before the Epsilon becomes a standalone faction, all they have is mind control, no wonderous nanites, or semi-indestructiable armor suits and tanks, no invincible base, or in fact, no base at all in most cases. Foehn on the other hand, seems to be Mary Sue: the faction, and I dislike them intensely for this reason.

You're forgetting the fact that Epsilon has campaign and Foehn doesn't have any confirmed backstories yet except for speculations and dropped hint.

 

Yeah, I know that. But Foehn is so super-advanced and powerful that I just can't believe that they can be properly explained. I'll keep an open mind about them, but right now, they are the Mary Sue faction.

[Handepsilon]

Well :

1. Advanced technology bloomed and mass produced, such as
a. Orbital laser (Mercury laser tech, Usa),
b. Electric rifle (Tesla weapons)
c. Anti gravity (Psi Corps, Invader and Irkalla)
d. Time and space manipulator (Euro Alliance mostly)
e. Mind control (Entire Epsilon)
f. Perfect Clonings and DNA manipulation(Epsilon)
g. Plasma weaponries (Basillisk)
h. Cryo weapons (Pacific Front)
i. Robotics
j. Weaponized Nuclear irradiation (Desolator)
k. Thermal Beam (Inferno and Antares)
l. etc. etc.

2. FinAlize's backstory indicates that Foehn at least are going to be around for a few years, possibly until Act 3

3. Some of their tech has been developed from Act 1, namely Harbringer (China, in Korean border), and Jackal Racer (See Operation : Think Different)

With such pace of technology, and we're talking 20th century here plus a few more years, presence of nanotech isn't entirely impossible

[Shelbythetriagularsquare]

Yeah, fighting for free will and freedom of thought is very Mary sue.

 

Maybe I really like Foehn because I really hate epsilon.

[Solais]

If there was no campaign (and we didn't know that it is based on a faction in Yuri's Revenge), the Epsilon would be mary sue as well, because they do seem to have hi-tech units with ufos and airplanes that look like spaceships. One would think that the Epsilon are aliens if not known ontherwise. :V

Edited by Solais, 11 January 2017 - 02:36 PM.