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[Handepsilon]

A titan having a single 100mm gun that fire like a machinegun with perfect accuracy even on the move is a very stupid thing so I suspected that it was a placeholder too. This design definitely make more senses since it have multi barrels.

And with that speed too. Indeed, Cyclops should've taken the more Wolverine approach.

...Hey, X-Men references

[hxazgalor]

First of all, I hate how sometimes I press Backspace while typing, only for the whole darn page to go Back. Like no, stop, what are you doing???

 

Anyway, I can understand why Divine views the Foehn as the Mary Sue faction. While it is the 1980s, let's not forget that the Allies already had chrono technology at their disposal waaaay back in the 50's, a.k.a. the Second Great War (if MO still follows that timeline, since it's now set in 1982 - 10 years later than RA2's timeline). It shouldn't be surprising that, with such amazing leaps in technological development, the Allies would be able to start on many other futuristic technologies that would greatly benefit them (and we're not just talking cutting-edge wargear). In that time, they would be able to develop microprocessors, lasers, advanced targeting systems, robotics, improvements to chrono tech (i.e. the Chrono Miner teleporting back to the refinery to deposit its harvest, Charon Tanks literally erasing enemies, etc) - just as human progress has brought us this far IRL.

 

For Foehn to suddenly have so many superior technologies at their disposal, it does seem a bit far-fetched. Industrialization and scientific progress is still stymied by the limited understanding of human intelligence, up until they begin connecting the dots and having that "Eureka!" moment. Nanotechnology would still be but a dream to many scientists: we can definitely miniaturize computers, they'll say, but to make it work at such a dramatically minute scale? Impossible! (Of course, we know it's not, but inevitably there will be skeptics) And the basis for much of Foehn's technological prowess comes from their understanding of nanites and how it can be used to drive the development of out-of-this-world technologies that were once thought impossible. Of course, nanotech isn't Foehn's deus ex machina. Other technologies would have been in development, too, but to be able to weaponize plasma? Have nanites that could strengthen building durability or consume people and convert them into usable materials? If you talked about these things to a scientist back in the 80's they would have laughed in your face.

 

Until we get to know the Foehn's complete story, we'll never know how they got so far in such a short time. We know the Jackal and the Harbinger have been in development for a long time, since they've been seen in Act I/mentioned in their backstories. But when did the Foehn Revolt appear? When will they appear? Right now, speculation is that Foehn might appear while the Allies and Soviets are busy battling Epsilon, or if not, maybe after the disastrous Battle for Antarctica. Until a clearer backstory is given as to how they possess such technological superiority that rivals even the Allies' own, it would just seem odd that they (technologically speaking) outgun everyone (but that doesn't immediately make you invincible) in such a "short span of time" (not the emphasis; imagine Dr Evil emphasizing these words with that silly finger waggling thing he does )

 

That's my two cents anyway :S

[X1Destroy]

The 21st century, aka the years of 2000s I guess.

Perhaps, Foehn got theirs hands on something like the Tacitus in Tiberium universe. That would explain theirs rapid advancement in technology.

If they are just a basic small Soviet/Allied resistance forces cut off from the rest of the world they would never be able to challenge Epsilon in its full might head to head. They would never be able to do what they are doing now, steamrolling through the enemy lines with brute force and devastating futuristic weapons. They would have been like what Scorpion Cell was to the Allied before Yuri appeared. An annoyance that they couldn't get rid of but not a serious threat either.

Edited by X1Destroy, 12 January 2017 - 10:48 AM.

[Solais]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the emergence of Foehn from the Conscious Slumber happens in the 21st century. So whatever was invented by the Chinese in the 80s, it will likely take at least 20 years to develop that tech to create all those amazing technologies.

 

And that makes me think what really happens with the world during that time, because it seems that Epsilon technology doesn't develop at all during that time. It seems the world itself "stops", with no development of new technologies, no progress whatsoever.

[Handepsilon]

Well, Epsilon ALSO weaponize plasma. Basilisk is the most obvious, with its' weapon being 'Plasma Generator'. Colossus' weapon is also called 'Plasma Blaster'

[X1Destroy]

And that makes me think what really happens with the world during that time, because it seems that Epsilon technology doesn't develop at all during that time. It seems the world itself "stops", with no development of new technologies, no progress whatsoever.

I think the answer to that would probably come after this question: Is Yuri still alive when Foehn appeared?

If the world isn't being run by him then stagnation is probably the inevitable outcome. Everything was a mess after the battle of Antarctica after all.

All of the world leaders are killed as far as we know. And the Proselytes, no matter how good they are at commanding theirs army doesn't mean they will instantly know how to control and improve theirs gigantic empire that covered most of the planet.

Edited by X1Destroy, 12 January 2017 - 11:27 AM.

[hxazgalor]

On a related note, the term "Conscious Slumber" is pretty interesting. At first glance, it seems like an oxymoron because you're technically unconscious while you sleep (I might be wrong, so please correct me if I am). But since the Foehn would be biding their time before an opportunity to enact their vengeance appears, "Conscious Slumber" here would suggest the Foehn remaining underground, while actively improving its technology, gathering intel, etc.

Edited by hxazgalor, 12 January 2017 - 11:32 AM.

[Damfoos]

Fin&Alize description contains a possible hint. Likely there is a time anomaly in the Last Bastion's site, which allows its inhabitants to do (and research) much more than people in the rest of the world can, thus giving them plenty of time to prepare. This however doesn't cancel the fact that aside from Jackal prototypes there are no signs of Foehn in the story yet, so they do seem a faction shoe-horned into the plot just because why not, and not planned to be there initially. In Foehn arsenal, there are no references to other factions tech, unlike Yuri's Psychic Sensor and Cloning Vats, which makes this new faction entirely new. I'm fine with any weapons as long as they are explained properly ("wind manipulation" is literally magic, that's the Deus Ex Machine of Foehn, not the nanites), and I'm fine with such a faction if it is seamlessly integrated both story-wise and style-wise. If the latter can be seen already, the former still has to be introduced in following campaign missions, so let's wait for those before saying "Foehn sticks out too much". It kinda does, but there was no chance to explain their existence yet, because not all missions are ready.

[XoGamer]

What if the campaign ends on the Commander waking up and it's all just a dream?

 

Actually, it'd be pretty sick if the campaign ended on a cliff-hanger...

 

Also if Foehn wins, I'll be pretty annoyed as they are just -not suitable- for winning the campaign, they're completely new etc.

I'd be much happier if the Allies win even though inside I was really hoping for the Soviets to win the war.

[Wayward Winds]

You could also argue that Epsilon's stagnation of technology could simply have come about because there is no reason to advance any more.  If there's some time between Epsilon's victory and Foehn's emergence, then why does Epsilon need to research new stuff?  There's nothing to drive progress anymore, no one to use any new tech on...

 

 

 

Also if Foehn wins, I'll be pretty annoyed as they are just -not suitable- for winning the campaign, they're completely new etc.

I'd be much happier if the Allies win even though inside I was really hoping for the Soviets to win the war.

 

Maybe Foehn will nullify Epsilon's overwhelming advantage, perhaps outright defeat them as well... but get wiped out in the process themselves.  Their limited numbers have run out, Epsilon counter attacks wiped out their last strongholds just before the Foehn's last remnants (just) managed to finish off Epsilon in a kamikaze attack...  End result: back to the status quo, mind control's gone, and the Allies and Soviets can start bashing each other to bits again.  The war continues!

Edited by Wayward Winds, 12 January 2017 - 08:15 PM.

[X1Destroy]

Soviet have already won WW3. But then Epsilon appeared....

I'd prefer the Allied was the winner, but that would mean there will be no Foehn. The Revolt exist only because the old powers are no more.

[Handepsilon]

I'd prefer the Allied was the winner

They had too much trophies in original, let the other factions have their fun

[Solais]

In the end, I want to be the winner.

[umbracatervae]

Allies already a superpower and a Second Great War winner before Mental Omega War started

 

So, every factions would taste their own victory

 

And yes, Foehn will kick Epsilon's ass, but maybe their "true enemy" will come afterwards

Edited by umbracatervae, 13 January 2017 - 03:50 AM.

[Atomic_Noodles]

The RA3 Victory/Loss Banners hammed up the Game though. Soviet used Propaganda Inspired Stuff. And the Allied ones were based on the World War 2 Posters. The Empire was based on Woodblock Print Illustrations which further hammered into them the idealogy of being "Traditional"

[Pantoffel]

• Ghost Hunt already suggests that Scorpion Cell might not have the same idea of mind control as the rest of Epsilon does.

 

I'd think we've already seen some betrayal before Ghost Hunt. The entrance of the underground bunker in Focus Shift, where the mobile launcher with the MIDAS bomb is brought to safety, gets blown up. In the Foehn Reveal Trailler Rashidi's Palace and base is shown. South of the palace a mobile launcher exits a bunker, probably the mobile launcher from Ghost Hunt. In Ghost Hunt, it is not mentioned what happened to the MIDAS bomb. We've only seen the destruction of the entrance of the underground bunker. It is never mentioned that the WHOLE underground bunker has been destroyed. 

 

I think Scorpion Cell has other motives and wanted the MIDAS bomb for themselves. In what other wayscould they get the bomb? Yuri doesn't even trust Scorpion Cell himself, hence the 'failsafes' installed in Malver's Chimera Core. He wouldn't entrust Scorpion Cell with a MIDAS bomb.

[Solais]

I don't think a bunker from a snowy area would reach down to Africa. :V

 

I think it was the Chinese who got the MIDAS.

[umbracatervae]

Soo, then for every factions have a "protagonist" sub-faction, a rogue sub-faction, and a sub-faction who just become a "yes man"

 

For Soviets is so clear about that, rather than any factions

[Handepsilon]

Meanwhile Allied have 1 protagonist subfactoin and 2 rogue subfactions, more so for Pacific though.

[Pantoffel]

I don't think a bunker from a snowy area would reach down to Africa. :V

 

I think it was the Chinese who got the MIDAS.

How else would Scorpion Cell get their hands on a mobile launcher, probably a MIDAS bomb too? 

 

If so, why would the Chinese attack both MIDAS bombs directly if they have set a trap? 

 

Scorpion Cell could've retrieved the MIDAS bomb from the tunnel and use Drillers to transport the bomb to Africa/the Middle East.