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[Handepsilon]

Not sure how one would be able to load from the original client really. But then again I forgot how the original YR CNCNet client works

[Speeder]

It will stay the same, as in, you'll still be able to choose any mission from the get-go. 'Load Game' button will be in the main menu.

[Handepsilon]

Just asking, but if MO gets update after 3.3.3, would we need to delete our savegames as a result of possible map file changes?

[PACER]

Just asking, but if MO gets update after 3.3.3, would we need to delete our savegames as a result of possible map file changes?

Unlikely. This is exactly why S/L feature is postponed in previous versions, until now.

[Solais]

Actually it was also because of all the stuff Ares inserts into the game.

[Flandre]

Will be there a way to "save" the save file of a MO game?

[Speeder]

What do you mean? They're files, you can do all the things that you normally can do with files.

 

MO3.3.3 save files will be stored in and read from a subfolder /Saved Games, which wasn't actually used before.

[Handepsilon]

 

Just asking, but if MO gets update after 3.3.3, would we need to delete our savegames as a result of possible map file changes?

Unlikely. This is exactly why S/L feature is postponed in previous versions, until now.

 

 

Well, some campaign maps get changes from time to time for various reason (such as bugs happening in previous version). I have high doubt that savegames can adapt to map changes.

[Flandre]

What do you mean? They're files, you can do all the things that you normally can do with files.

 

MO3.3.3 save files will be stored in and read from a subfolder /Saved Games, which wasn't actually used before.

Um that is what I said, just thinking of making backup save files in case something went wrong.

[Wayward Winds]

Making backup saves won't do any good with regards to Mental Omega updates.  They won't get touched by the update process, so if they stop working it'd be because the mod had moved on and rendered something in the old saves incompatible.  Not because they were corrupted.  Unless you somehow went back to the old version, the saves wouldn't start working again just because you restored from a backup directory.

 

Speaking from experience with Twisted Insurrection, small updates (ie bugfixes) don't tend to render saves incompatible.  Larger updates however (which, admittedly, is pretty much all Mental Omega updates) tend to shuffle things around as they add new stuff, and that's when things start going wrong.  It could be merely cosmetic (e.g. one Twisted Insurrection didn't stop my old saves from working, but if I loaded an old GDI mission save I now had the CABAL and the Nod interface.  Another update moved sound pointers around, so that I had Cyborg voice clips playing instead of gunfire sound effects... which given how many rounds got fired and thus how many times that clip played, got annoying quick)... or it could outright refuse to load.

You simply can't tell what will happen until... it happens.

 

If you know a major update is coming, it's best to finish up halfway done missions before it hits.  At least then, if worst comes to worst, the save wasn't wasted.

It's also worth emptying the save directory if they've been rendered non-functional by an update.  Just because they've stopped working won't stop them showing up in the Save/Load menu and confusing you.

Edited by Wayward Winds, 13 December 2017 - 09:47 PM.

[Flandre]

Ah thanks for stating, Wayward. Although that is not the problem in my side though.

[AlexB]

Just asking, but if MO gets update after 3.3.3, would we need to delete our savegames as a result of possible map file changes?

Unlikely. This is exactly why S/L feature is postponed in previous versions, until now.

The map's current state is saved in the savegames along with the unit stats and so on, and neither the map file nor the rules are used again during loading. That means you would still have the old layout after loading, old map scripting and so on. If global settings (sound, EVA, themes, ...) were updated, the old savegames would not pick them up and start behaving erratically, as described by Wayward Winds.
 

Actually it was also because of all the stuff Ares inserts into the game.

Yeah, that was the main reason. The game didn't know about the new settings and features Ares added. Also, some features were working in a way that wasn't possible to save and load, so they had to be reworked first. The "political reason" I mentioned in the explanatory thread are that savegames would become incompatible quickly whenever the Ares version changed. And who likes to lose all game progress every three months?
 

It's also worth emptying the save directory if they've been rendered non-functional by an update.  Just because they've stopped working won't stop them showing up in the Save/Load menu and confusing you.

I wouldn't count on that. Ares will automatically hide savegames created with an incompatible version of Ares (previous and future), as well as savegames created with a different version of the mod (or other mods or the vanilla game for that matter).

[UNSC THE CHILL OF WAR]

Could i suggest that the build radius for mines should be increased, so they can be placed further away from a building?

[J00B]

Game mode suggestion: Tinderbox

 

Description: As your base grows, flammable materials e.g barrels, ammo dumps and other explosive objects are placed in and around your base. The bigger your base, the higher output of materials.

 

When it comes to disposal, Allies have a good advantage with their chrono-tech. Perhaps some units from other factions can have an ability to assist in safe disposal of explosive objects. Engineers, Crazy Ivans, Spies, Terror Drones, Magentrons, Clairvoyants etc.

 

Super-weapons are disabled.

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Also another suggestion: Buildable hedgehogs for each faction. Provides a stronger, sturdier alternative to walls whilst allowing fire-through ability for attacker or defender. Obviously more expensive than walls. Good way of filtering enemy units from rushing choke points.

Edited by J00B, 19 December 2017 - 04:37 AM.

[Divine]

Game mode suggestion: Tinderbox

 

Description: As your base grows, flammable materials e.g barrels, ammo dumps and other explosive objects are placed in and around your base. The bigger your base, the higher output of materials.

 

When it comes to disposal, Allies have a good advantage with their chrono-tech. Perhaps some units from other factions can have an ability to assist in safe disposal of explosive objects. Engineers, Crazy Ivans, Spies, Terror Drones, Magentrons, Clairvoyants etc.

 

Super-weapons are disabled.

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Also another suggestion: Buildable hedgehogs for each faction. Provides a stronger, sturdier alternative to walls whilst allowing fire-through ability for attacker or defender. Obviously more expensive than walls. Good way of filtering enemy units from rushing choke points.

The tinderbox mode is not a bad idea. Perhaps crate spawning logic could be abused somehow, to make it possible? If all else fails, map triggers should be able to do it, but coding them for each and every map separately would be a pain in the ass.

[Solais]

You only have access to diesel generators so you constantly have to place barrels in your base to keep the power flowing. :V

[StolenTech]

could do with support powers I assume.

[Flandre]

>Buildable hedgehogs for each faction.

 

hmmmm... sounds useful.

[Handepsilon]

Hedgehogs in MO is.... surprisingly very dense

[Divine]

The problem with hedgehogs is that they are FUGLY when they are placed densely (ie.: like a wall), that's why they are used only sparsely, as map props.