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[Endless]

Sole reason I can see Iron Guard being underused in 3.3.2 MP is because of the fact people overlook it.
Though whenever I see an IC up I see an IG built soon after 

[Divine]

I guess that the reason is more likely that it is a static defense, and that it requires vehicles to be effective. Vehicles that are better used for maintaining map control, and kept mobile.

Edited by Divine, 06 February 2018 - 08:40 PM.

[JackoDerp]

I guess that the reason is more likely that it is a static defense, and that it requires vehicles to be effective. Vehicles that are better used for maintaining map control, and kept mobile.

 

Depends on the Soviet Faction using it, especially in the case of China.

[doctormedic]

Making a second mcv with a iron guard ready and then moving your centurion to have range to the enemy base and have an iron guard to protect it means that even a harrier spam will be hard to take it down without taking the iron guard.

[XoGamer]

Replace blast trench entirely, how about that

 

no

 

we already had this discussion about blast furnace in the previous patch, and last time speeder said he wouldn't do that iirc

 

Blast furnace is fine as is, but only because each Foehn subfaction can make up for it in the fact that they all have an epic unit that basically fit secondary superweapon slot. Harbinger and Boidmachine may be epic units as support powers but tbh, the damage they're capable of is worthy of secondary SW status - and they fit the category perfectly - they can be coordinated with your attacks to provide a more devastating blow (like IC, CS & Rage)

 

as for MADMAN, I guess that also counts.

 

tldr; foehn doesn't really even need blast furnace and complainers only complain cos they want symmetrical gameplay altho Foehn has already broken most of the rules that the other factions follow (infantry not weak to dogs, no dogs, amphibious spies that can't disguise etc.) so why would we give all the subfactions an already powerful epic unit that acts as superweapon then complain that the SW needs buffing?

 

the alternative is ofc: nerf the epic units so that they're no more powerful than an EMP blast in terms of usefulness (or more depending on price) and then do the according buff for Blasticade

 

a good buff for blasticade if you want to ignore everything I said, is to make the walls stealth when Blasticade is ready (visible when running) but otherwise visible and destructible - that way the opponent should have been watching out for sneaky walls and trying to remember where they were hidden

 

that's my 2 cents

 

 

But what about the Iron Guard? In 3.3.0/1 they were strong, specially with drones and fast units in general. I'm fine the way they work atm, and not like Soviets aren't strong anyway to rely on them.

 

Reduce power usage/ Increase limit (but only max 3)

 

it's very hard to get the balancing right on Iron Guard, it feels like it's either overpowered or completely redundant

Edited by XoGamer, 07 February 2018 - 09:22 AM.

[Divine]

A way to buff the Blast Treches could be to merge them with the Turmoil Grid. Basically, it would be deployed in patches, have minimal power consumption, would confuse enemy units when the Blasticade is not active, and it would do what the Blast Trench does when the Blasticade is active. It would be relatively easy to explain it lore wise as well, say, Blasticade would serve to amplify the Turmoil Grid's power a thousand fold, and make it kill anything it touches. This way, two rarely used things would become a single, much more useful entity.

Edited by Divine, 07 February 2018 - 03:40 PM.

[StolenTech]

Grids aren't underused though.

and I feel like if trenches were in clusters everyone will start using them like 3.3 EMP mines.

[JackoDerp]

Using it in grids mostly negates the point of a Blasticade Wall

Maybe just an increase of wall-build distance for it is best.

[Tathmesh]

I think the invisibility when Blasticade is active seems like a pretty interesting idea.

But it could potentially be abused, because someone could just place a huge grid around a major chokepoint. Now Blasticade becomes an invisible minefield that instantly delete any army that walks over it.

[NorthFireZ]

I agree with XoGamer, the blast furnace doesn’t really need a change since Foehn all basically have Uber units anyways. It’s not required to change it. Changing it won’t make Foehn balanced and it won’t boost their power either. It’s just more work for the MO team to completely redo the furnace system.

[CrimsonRaider]

Will the client ever be "fixed"? I mean is there any way for the client NOT to reset my settings in skirmish every time I quit? It's a bit frustrating to change the starting money/units, position, speed etc. every day.

[Handepsilon]

Mine got saved at some extent. Do you have the folder on read only? Maybe running as admin might also help

[Divine]

Mine got saved at some extent. Do you have the folder on read only? Maybe running as admin might also help

"At some extent" is they keyphrase here, I believe. It'd be nice if the game saved all settings properly.

Edited by Divine, 09 February 2018 - 02:33 AM.

[Flandre]

 

I guess that the reason is more likely that it is a static defense, and that it requires vehicles to be effective. Vehicles that are better used for maintaining map control, and kept mobile.

 

Depends on the Soviet Faction using it, especially in the case of China.

 

I use china, but never bother to rely on those things...

[doctormedic]

Why rely on anything other than centurion and yurnu with some support here and there?

[Endless]

Why rely on anything other than centurion and yurnu with some support here and there?

???

[doctormedic]

I wonder if there is a way to use yunru in a way that doesnt involve placing her inside the centurion,because for how effective it is,it does get stale after a while.

[CrimsonRaider]

Mine got saved at some extent. Do you have the folder on read only? Maybe running as admin might also help

I checked it, and sadly didn't help. Right after the installation I changed both the game and the client to always run as admin.

[CLAlstar]

You must be new to china then, because i see her being used outside of centy very often. Inside Centy you cannot chain EMP so putting her inside lowers her efficiency to somewhere around 40% - because you cannot manually target with her and she will always attack same cluster of units unless the one in middle is destroyed.

Edited by CLAlstar, 09 February 2018 - 10:57 AM.

[PACER]

You must be new to china then, because i see her being used outside of centy very often. Inside Centy you cannot chain EMP so putting her inside lowers her efficiency to somewhere around 40% - because you cannot manually target with her and she will always attack same cluster of units unless the one in middle is destroyed.

 

Not to mention the deploy weapon. Conyard rekt in several hits