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#421 Calamity_Jones

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:17 AM

Ah yes. Blessed powers to completely contradict thousands of years of medical science. Magical healing. Elves too perhaps? Or lightsabers?
Now who sounds ridiculous?

Y'know, between the two of you, you make my argument so much easier! Thank you immensely! It's just obvious in a moderated view of what you two are saying that you're absolutely insane, perhaps suffering from mercury poisoning. I'm not complaining, but if you want to be taken seriously, come up with real arguments, otherwise, the two of you are making my case for me.
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Fuckin' hilarious :D

Anyways,

Today I was doing a lab in which we were looking at the microstructures of several metal alloys. We mounted the samples on resin disks, then used grinding wheels with progressively higher grade Silicon-Carbide grit paper, followed by diamond powder solution soaked polishing wheels to reduce the surface of the sample to a 1 micron standard (the smallest visible surface scratch is no larger than 1/1000 of a millimetre)

During the process we would make use of optical microscopes to check the surface of the material for any remaining scratches from the previous grit or polishing wheel. (we rotated the sample by 90 degrees per operation as to produce a cross-hatch pattern... and once the pattern disappears, you know that all of the scratches on that surface are to the level of grit/polish you just used.... so we looked for cross-hatching)

We used chemical etchants (1, 2 and 5% Nitrile in an alcoholic dilutant) to etch the surface of the material. This chemical reacts with the atoms on the grain boundaries, creating slight pits in the surface of the material and thus revealing the grain structure. Finally, we used the better optical microscopes which had cameras fitted to photograph the samples at different resolutions.

Now, just look at all the different bits of technology used there... all the science and engineering that has been required to design them... the chemistry to know which chemicals to use to etch the surface... and all the science needed to understand what the results mean... With this we can look at a chunk of metal and know how it was made, what processes it has been put through, what its chemical composition is (and thus its mechanical properties)... hell... We can show exactly why the material behaves as it does.

Roll back time a couple 'o' thousand years... They had NONE of the above, all they had was their imaginations. People created gods to explain the world. They didn't have microscopes and 1 micron diamond polishing wheels. They couldn't look at a lump of alpha brass to see that the reason that it is so malleable and easy to cold work is because of its microstructure. Okay, maybe they didn't write that god made brass malleable and bestowed his beautiful creation unto mankind in bountiful quantities that we may build trombones to our hearts content, but this is just an example that I can explain well and thoroughly 'cos it's what I study :p

Essentially... what you lot believe in is a 2000 year old method of explaining the world, a 2000 year old theory on how the world came into being. Seems a bit silly to me...

oh, and Duke..

that vid with the book guy is interesting... might see if one of my libraries has a copy ;)

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:23 AM

indeed on both parts of the above comment :D

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:23 AM

hell... hadn't even finished faffing around with that post... :D
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 01:56 PM

Ok, we get your point, you don't believe in a god. I do believe in a god, but I don't worship. I know I'm doomed, but I don't want todo anything about it...

WHY?!!!? Do you want to spended your eternity in the most excruciating pain ever?!!?
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 02:17 PM

No proof for that aspect either. Christian fearmongering is SOO 16th century. Take your self-righteousness and go pillage some Swedes with it.
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:24 PM

if cdmtx(YR) was serious about that last reply i wouldnt know what to say.

Self-righteousness indeed, religious and spiritual fascism i would have called it(the use of strong and underlined letters really make it look like some political propaganda). "if you don't believe in god then you will go to hell for eternity" is not far off "if you don't vote for us we will send a bunch of brown-jackets over to your house and hurt you and your wife and kids".

sounds like something of a topic that. we might have defeated political fascism and nazism, but the battle against religious fascism has barely begun...

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 04:03 PM

http://www.amazon.co...d...TF8&s=books

Looks like a good book, came out fairly recently.
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 05:06 PM

:p Oh god how i have missed this forum in some ways. Its quite ammusing reading back some of the Thread pages and seeing people being very pro and very con... ahhhh

I have been through and experienced alot in the past 2 - 3 years and as a result any belief i had in a "devine being" has now been successfully flushed down the loo... where it belongs. TBH Religion has no place in my life anymore as i have given up on any hope. Maybe its cause of me not being a propper "full blow" religious freak that i have been punished... but to be honest i don't give a rats arse anymore.
You can't say that i've gotten cancer TWICE through my own stupidity. I don't smoke, i don't live near any pylons or anything like that... but still i get it.

All i want is a pieceful life now... and as far as im concerned Religion is would be the prime cause preventing that from happening...


Maybe im out of place to say and this maybe the wrong thread but meh... i've said my bit now :p
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:29 PM

welcome to the real world neo... xeno i mean...

Anyways, if god will punish anyone, it's people like spencer, duke, me, and richard dawkins... god should be laying down the law and frying us with lightning or floods. but where is he now eh? He's as hard as soggy toilet roll. I can piss more water after 3 pints than he can chuck at me. hah! If you're so big and mighty, smite the living shit out of me!

Nope... still alive, guess the big man hasn't got any more slaughter in him... wuss :p
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:36 PM

He won't do anything. But, don't tempt him. He is God after all...

And yes, I believe I'm going to HELL if I don't worship God. I'm not, so I know I'm damned...

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 11:34 PM

Anyone who thinks you should be punished in any way for not worshipping God is a complete moron. If there were a hell, which there isn't, you would be judged by whether you did good things or bad things in your life, not by your amount of worship. If there were a God that demanded us to worship him or h'ell send us to hell, he would be an egotistical bastard that is not worthy of our worship.

I find it funny how people think God will send them to hell if they don't worship him, yet still think hes a nice guy.

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 12:53 AM

Religion is not supposed to be an organise movement imo, its supposed to be personal. A personal set of guidelines to guide you to creation or god, allah whatever you chose to call him. I can't stand people who say "if you don't believe what i believe your damned to a life or misery." This totally contradicts the christian way anyway, which is about peace, love and understanding. Not hatred and throwing anger at people. In the end it only causes more problems that it solved. I learnt this lesson a long time ago.

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 02:23 AM

Who are you to say what it should and shouldn't be. Even I don't go so far as to saying what people should do with themselves, I'm just personally baffled that so many people can entertain the idea, and I like to shed light on some Christian fallacies about how the world works.
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 05:04 AM

He won't do anything. But, don't tempt him. He is God after all...

And yes, I believe I'm going to HELL if I don't worship God. I'm not, so I know I'm damned...

Worshiping does not save you from hell nor good deeds!
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Posted 08 October 2006 - 06:57 AM

So what you're saying is that we all go to hell anyway?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 01:37 PM

fuck people... what's so bad about hell?! Why does everyone give it such a negative image?! No wonder Satan is such a menacing figure, he's probably totally pissed at people laying into his lovely home!

Hell's nice and warm, it's not a nice soft carpet (the tortured souls of lawyers being torn apart), there's some colourful characters there to make friends with (eddie), some cute animals to have as pets (Isn't he adorable? and decent music too.

Oh, and they don't have that egotistical god chap, satan doesn't care if you worship him or even like him... he accepts you with open arms anyways!

Anyone who thinks you should be punished in any way for not worshipping God is a complete moron. If there were a hell, which there isn't, you would be judged by whether you did good things or bad things in your life, not by your amount of worship. If there were a God that demanded us to worship him or h'ell send us to hell, he would be an egotistical bastard that is not worthy of our worship.

I find it funny how people think God will send them to hell if they don't worship him, yet still think hes a nice guy.


As he said :lol:


I'm all for pastafarianism though, their heaven has beer volcano's and a stripper factory. huzzah! Oh, cdmtx(YR), you're probably going to hell too, so look forwards to it ;)
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 04:03 AM

So what you're saying is that we all go to hell anyway?

No not at all! There is only one way to Heaven and one out of Hell! And worshiping and good deeds aren't any of those ways. The Bible says

Are good deeds are like dirty rags to God.


So then, how do we get out of Hell, and into Heaven? There is only one way and it is this.

You must believe that you are a siner.
What does the word sin mean? It means missing the mark, it is an archery term. God has a standard, a the mark that mark is sinlessness. Unfortunately, we have original sin for Adam and Eve and their fall into temptation, that is passed down to everyone . So even if you live a sinless life you still have original sin and you are going to pay the price, which is Hell.

You must believe in God, and he is the reason for everything.

You must believe that God sent his one and only son (Jesus), who was born by the Virgin Mary, and lived a sinless life.

You must believe that Jesus died on the cross for [u]your sins[/u], and on the third day he rose from the dead.

You must invite Jesus into your heart and accept Jesus as your personal savior from Hell, sin, and the rath of his father God.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 04:40 AM

WHAT IF we reaalize the complet lack of evidence that Jesus even existed? Let alone god?

You've not presented any proof a God exists. Like Calamity Jones said, God, SMITE ME NOW if you're so great.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 04:44 PM

WHAT IF we reaalize the complet lack of evidence that Jesus even existed? Let alone god?

You've not presented any proof a God exists. Like Calamity Jones said, God, SMITE ME NOW if you're so great.

the Bible says

Don't test the Lord your God.

And yes there is proof of the Jesus number one you have the Bible that is being proven more and more correct. And number two you have Roman records of man called Jesus executed around the same date as the Bible says.
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Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:19 PM

the Bible says

Don't test the Lord your God.


why not test him?

I don't give a rats arse what that silly bit of fiction (the bible) says. I'll test that meglomaniac in the sky all I want. He slaughtered people in the past with floods, turned people into pillars of salt, ordered his brainless minions on crusades to kill his enemies... And beardy can't even muster a single lightning bolt to zap me? Hmm... I'd say your god sucks. Hell, your heaven doesn't even have beer volcanoes!

And yes there is proof of the Jesus number one you have the Bible that is being proven more and more correct. And number two you have Roman records of man called Jesus executed around the same date as the Bible says.


You idiot... That is proof of an individual called Jesus. That does not prove he is "the son of god". The bible is be little more than a mildly accurate pinch of history slapped into a huge lump of rancid fantasy.

No not at all! There is only one way to Heaven and one out of Hell! And worshiping and good deeds aren't any of those ways. The Bible says

Are good deeds are like dirty rags to God.


So then, how do we get out of Hell, and into Heaven? There is only one way and it is this.

You must believe that you are a siner.


I am a sinner. I don't give a shit.

What does the word sin mean? It means missing the mark, it is an archery term. God has a standard, a the mark that mark is sinlessness. Unfortunately, we have original sin for Adam and Eve and their fall into temptation, that is passed down to everyone . So even if you live a sinless life you still have original sin and you are going to pay the price, which is Hell.


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You must believe in God, and he is the reason for everything.


That is your belief, one can conjecture that the flying spaghetti monster created everything. If one believes it so and writes a book on it, then it MUST be the truth, no? Ever heard of reducto ad absurdum?

You must believe that God sent his one and only son (Jesus), who was born by the Virgin Mary, and lived a sinless life.


Historical records from that period of history are not exactly their best. Once cannot simply assume the bible as fact. How do we know that Jesus wasn't a heavy smoking gambler? Just because his dirty personal habits are ommited from the bible, doesn't mean they never existed...

You must believe that Jesus died on the cross for [u]your sins[/u], and on the third day he rose from the dead.


I think there's a game called resident Evil about people rising from the dead... That was a whole lot more believeable

You must invite Jesus into your heart and accept Jesus as your personal savior from Hell, sin, and the rath of his father God.


I won't accept Jesus into my heart, my heart is too busy pumping blood around my circulatory system.

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