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[Calamity_Jones]

I don't know what the level of understanding currently is, but the goal of science is to work up a set of laws that define and explain the world. We may not understand it fully at the moment, but inexorably we will.

The fourth dimension is usually taken to be time, and thus can be used to explain space-time. There is fucking REAMS of stuff on space time, I suggest you go read "A brief history of time" It might open your mind up to what space-time is.

[Rawlo]

theres one thing I was thinking of, who on earth says that there is only one 'forth' dimention that a being who operates on 4 dimentions could use, for instance if there were 16 dimentions (and 'm pretty sure there are quite a few more then that)we could have x, y, z, time, r, t, u, and 9 other dimentions. the being or matter could operate on r, t, u, or any of the other nine dimentions, and at the same time have the same level of command we have over the so called forth dimention which is nothing more then the ability to bend it a little (through the use of extremely high speeds)

with this I beleive we exist on all dimentions, we just don't have an understanding of how to control more then 3 of those, and we don't have any knowledge of the other who knows how many other dimentions.

to give you some idea of what I mean, we can move in any of 6 (2 times x, y, z)different directions, plus any combination of those six (with the ecception of opposites) and we move forward in time at differing rates depending on how fast we happen to be travelling, but say we were to move a foot to the euivilent of left, on the 'r' axis by accident maybe, because we have no knowledge of how to veiw 'sideways' in this resepect, we would dissapear from the veiw of everyone arround us, and the world arround us would also change, it might become nothing or it might just change the dirrection that the wind is blowing. having said that.

if this sort of thing is the case then theories such as the conservation of energy and matter need alot more work, because you would not be able to contain and test matter completely without the ability to cover up one way it could go. same goes for the conservation of momentum because an object could easily lose momentem to a direction which we can't comprehend

[cdmtx(YR)]

Hybrid what are your questions, what's going through your mind?

[MSpencer]

I can answer that one for you. He's nuts.

[Tom]

it couldn't possibly exist though, if a creature had the capacity to move through time, it would cause paradoxes.

Not if the multiverse theory is correct. If it is correct it is impossible to create a paradox. CERN and other companies are currently working to create miniblack holes which they believe they can use to travel to parallel or unparallel universes. If this infact works this is an example of humanity move into the "4th dimension" or the quantum multiverse.

This is the theory: http://www.tenthdime....com/flash2.php

Click "Imagining the Tenth Dimension"

Technically 10 would also be 0 and continue onto infinity. Yet thats again another theory. It cannot be proved until a real discovery is made.

I can answer that one for you. He's nuts.

I can also answer why you respond in this way. Your closeminded like many scientists who believe they know it all. You believe your an elite-scientists just because your grandfather had something to do with social darwinism and its theories/discoveries.

You don't know everything spence, stop getting high off of believing you do. You do not. No one does. Science is not the answer to everything. Science only proves what it has the ability to prove. Theories have existed since the beginning of mankinds ability to think. Theories get proved correct or incorrect as time goes on. What the hell do you think science is?

[MSpencer]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, you've got me. Just because I might be related to some closed minded racist asshole means I think I know everything. At the same time, that explains why I don't believe your ridiculous conspiracy theories which are nothing more than paranoid rants.
And I would certainly prefer to believe something with some basis in fact as opposed to some ridiculous notion of an all-inclusive universe.

[Tom]

No it was merely an example of how having opinions on other induviduals cause clashes.

There is no ridiculous conspiracy theory in believing that there is something beyond this world. What you state is ridiculous is infact merely talking about the natural effect of what happens when people turn silent. Silent is seen as consent so when a population turns ignorant and silent anything within the government is possible. That is not a conspiracy theory, it has happened time and time again throughout history. This is a mass failure of mankind as a collective whole to learn from these mistakes. No conspiracy theory involved. Yes, Ignoring the paranoid conspiracy theories that have been said, they are no longer theories if there is evidence for it. The problem is even when the evidence is presented its called ridiculous because its not stamped with "official."

[cdmtx(YR)]

In my mind science is a form philosophy. Where people state their beliefs or theories, were they can be examined and discussed, and either proven right or wrong. In the end, scientist state theories that seem to be believable or true. Overtime however theories are disapproved or called insane, such as the theory of alchemy. Or what about things called insane or impossible, such as the electric light or the atom bomb or flying machines. Just because something is a scientific theory or fact does not mean that it is true!

[MSpencer]

Nothing is ever true. There are reasonable degrees of truthfulness, nothing can ever be completely explained and I don't think any sane scientist would EVER tell you that everything can be explained. The vast majority of what we're aware of, however, can be explained using science, and scientific theories use our knowledge of the universe to explain how it works. It's a much better system than believing in something which could never be proven.

[Airman]

Nothing is ever true. There are reasonable degrees of truthfulness, nothing can ever be completely explained and I don't think any sane scientist would EVER tell you that everything can be explained. The vast majority of what we're aware of, however, can be explained using science, and scientific theories use our knowledge of the universe to explain how it works. It's a much better system than believing in something which could never be proven.

You can explain some things. For example, I can explain a soda can. It's aluminum, a cylinder, and is presurized. This has nothing to do with this topic, though..

[cdmtx(YR)]

Nothing is ever true. There are reasonable degrees of truthfulness, nothing can ever be completely explained and I don't think any sane scientist would EVER tell you that everything can be explained. The vast majority of what we're aware of, however, can be explained using science, and scientific theories use our knowledge of the universe to explain how it works. It's a much better system than believing in something which could never be proven.

If nothing is ever true, then how could anything be proven and or disproven?
And if nothing is ever true is this just a dream?

[Rawlo]

I think what he ment was that the rules of physics, are those which describe the way we currently understand the universe to work, for instance that the force exerted by gravity devides by 4 everytime you double the distance between the centre of the gravity's source and the place the object's 'weight' was first measured. However in a few years time we might discover that this is in fact incorrect and that it was only a series of cercumstances coming together that pointed towards that theory being correct on earth, for instance the suns gravity ultering the way in which gravitional force deteriates.

In that case, we would currently consider the above stated rule correct, and true, but it is infact not true as we will understand it in a few years time.

if you get any of that at all...

[MSpencer]

We can make perfectly true observations. For instance, I make the observation that the modern common finch has a bone structure similar to a velociraptor. Thus, I can conclude in some way they are linked. This was done well before the 1850s, rather comparisons between dinosaurs and birds were made in the early 19th century, it was not until 1900 at the very least that an evolutionary relationship was ever inferred, and it will likely not be for another five years that we will find molecular similarities.
Nothing is ever true only because we come up with a theory, and then we discover new things at work. Nothing is ever completely correct because not every underlying force is known, or could ever be known. Every day we discover something new, it normally supports a certain theory and necessitates the amendment of another, THAT is why it is science. We can understand the broad strokes of the painting, but underneath those strokes are individual worlds each in infinite complexity.
And in your evaluation of the can, you left out the fact that electrons are constantly moving around their orbitals faster than is perceptible, and that the aluminum atoms along with other substances in the alloy, another thing you left out, are constantly moving at an imperceptibly slow rate on the atomic level. Furthermore, you left out the fact that the alloy was treated with certain stabilizers, and that the can is not a perfect cylinder (Perfect circles, spheres, and cylinders are nearly impossible). Additionally, there are tons of subatomic forces constantly at work, another thing which you neglected to mention. So surely, you're absolutely completely incorrect, even though further information does support your analysis to some extent. Thank you for helping me make precisely the point I was trying to.

[Airman]

1+1=2.....I'm pretty sure that's right.

[duke_Qa]

in our view where 1=1 and 2=2 yeah. if there are other dimensions on top of our own though, 1 could be 2 and thus 1+1=4. and its also a nice way to describe warp travel. if you have a parallell dimension where 10meter in our universe is 1 meter in that one(a miniature version of our own universe so to speak), you would be able to go to that dimension, and then travel ten times faster than normally.

naturally i just say that to annoy you because of the relatively simplistic 1+1=2 comment.

[Tom]

Nothing is ever true. There are reasonable degrees of truthfulness, nothing can ever be completely explained and I don't think any sane scientist would EVER tell you that everything can be explained. The vast majority of what we're aware of, however, can be explained using science, and scientific theories use our knowledge of the universe to explain how it works. It's a much better system than believing in something which could never be proven.

Thats why its called faith. If life is a test, it wouldn't be much of a test if all the answers were provided to us would it? You have to find them yourself. It doesn't matter whether other people agree or disagree with you, its still your own personal journey.

[Cossack]

And if nothing is ever true is this just a dream?

I often think of life as a dream. Reality exists only in the mind....

[Tom]

Exactly and you create your reality by your thoughts and actions. If you believe you are a victim, you will act like a victim.

[cdmtx(YR)]

If I tell a lie to my friend, and he believes it, and he tells another friend, and that person believes it. Then that lie spreads all around the world and millions of people believe that lie and accepted it as fact, and call anyone who doesn't believe that lie crazy or insane. Does that lie remain a lie or does it become the truth?

It will still remain a lie, no matter how many people believe that lie.

[MSpencer]

Yes, I assume this is where we equate modern science to a cleverly constructed lie and conspiracy.