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[GothmogtheOrc]

now I realize how inefficient one is with Internet access :(

Quoted for truth

-GothmogtheOrc

[Mathijs]

Good work Cel, loving the designs...

[Elvenlord]

Oh.....my.......god.......unbeliveble........
Favorite? Noldor............
Great work Cel........

[Taralom]

nice Cel,

i think i am different then you all because i find the Tower Hill Guards ROCK...
but the Noldorin Warrior is cool though

keep it up

[Olorin]

Yay and such! So glad to hear that you all like them. And yes ched, you are sooo right .

Edit #2: by the way, will the Noldorin Warriors have access to upgrades? Because in the render one has a Forged Blade.

I usually don't show the Forged Blade FX in renders, but I thought it actually looked quite nice on the Noldorin Warriors, so I left it in. They won't start with it in the game.

As for some of the questions on the campaign... I had thought of having Moria as this "final Elves mission". If I do one, it will probably end up being Moria. Too bad the Balrog's already dead...

Another Moria mission...sweeeet. So the Noldorin Warriors will have access to upgrades. Cool, makes them even more deadly, mwahahaha!

[Taralom]

these Noldorin warriors...
are they soldiers, anti-cavalry, what??

and what is their strength?
( damage and stuff)

[Olorin]

I think they're meant to be the best infantry unit in the game. That's what I remember Celeglin saying at one point.

[Elvenlord]

Yes! The all-owning Noldor are here!
Except flying things, the cheaters......
And maybe really good archers......
And heavy calvary......
And all-owning heros............
Anyways, Noldor>>>>>>>all melee for sure
And if Cel ever checks this, how will the Tower Hills Guards compare with the Galadhrim? More defense but less attack?

[Olorin]

The Galadhrim are supposed to be the best unit for Rhovanion in terms of versatility, but second only to the Silver Tree Guardians in damage (I think). The Tower Hills Guards are just normal archer units; there's nothing special about them, from what I know.

[Olorin]

Yes! Finally, an attempt at mobile archery! One thing though (I think it's possible), when they fire whilst moving, can they be more inaccurate? That'll help with balance from my point of view. And I'm loving the Noldorin Warriors now. Four units per battalion, interesting. That'll also mean that they won't be able to combine with other battalions, won't it?

Edit: just re-read the post, and I find it very peculiar to see that Forlindon's Bows has only three units per battalion. That would be for balance, right?

Edit #2: for the Noldorin Warrior you've put (as a caption) that the render features both light- and heavy-armoured versions. I can pick out the small differences between the skins, but just so I know which one is the heavy- and which the light-armoured? I also noticed that the Tower Hills Guards have swords by their hips. That's just for show, isn't it? No weapon toggling?

Edited by Olorin, 06 March 2007 - 09:16 AM.

[zimoo]

From what I've heard, horse archers firing while moving is insanely unbalanced.

In games like RTW it's fine, where the archers actually run out of ammunition. But in a game when they have unlimited ammo, that will just be insanely overpowered.

[Olorin]

This is a wild possibility, but it seems balanced. You can convert the mobile firing concept into an ability, so at, say level 5, they can use the ability and for 30 seconds they can fire while moving. But it has a 3 minute recharge rate. Then again they do have very low armour ratings, so with 3 in each battalion they would be vulnerable against everything, but mainly archers and spearmen. It all depends on how well you use them, I guess.

Edited by Olorin, 06 March 2007 - 09:34 AM.

[Lauri]

think of the horse archers as TEA's scouts.... you move them back everytime someone comes... might be a bit unbalanced, but maybe not

[zimoo]

Yes, and couple that with a much faster speed and the fact that they'd be able to fire arrows while retreating

[Elvenlord]

I also noticed that the Tower Hills Guards have swords by their hips. That's just for show, isn't it? No weapon toggling?

That's why I asked how they will compare with Galadhrim

[Olorin]

^^ I see. I don't reckon their gonna have a toggle, the swords are just there for show.

[adummy]

From what I've heard, horse archers firing while moving is insanely unbalanced.

In games like RTW it's fine, where the archers actually run out of ammunition. But in a game when they have unlimited ammo, that will just be insanely overpowered.

i think that is why cel has them in groups of 3 and cost 5 command points each. maybe their command points should be raised to balance, but this should wait until a beta of TLT

Edited by adummy, 07 March 2007 - 05:25 AM.

[Olorin]

Nah, so far it looks balanced. What with the 3 units per battalion plus very low armour, and on top of that they're expensive.

[CeleglinAtSchool]

Edit #2: for the Noldorin Warrior you've put (as a caption) that the render features both light- and heavy-armoured versions. I can pick out the small differences between the skins, but just so I know which one is the heavy- and which the light-armoured?

The ones with more armour (hip armour, chainmail sleeves) and more gold trim are the heavy armoured ones.

I also noticed that the Tower Hills Guards have swords by their hips. That's just for show, isn't it? No weapon toggling?

It'll work like the Ithilien Rangers, in that they'll use their swords by default when in close combat.

This is a wild possibility, but it seems balanced. You can convert the mobile firing concept into an ability, so at, say level 5, they can use the ability and for 30 seconds they can fire while moving. But it has a 3 minute recharge rate.

I'm worried enough about getting it to work by default perfectly. I don't want to consider an ability.

From what I've heard, horse archers firing while moving is insanely unbalanced.

but this should wait until a beta of TLT

Quoted adummy there for the truth. As I said, I'm going to try it. If it turns out to be too difficult to balance in a good way, then it'll be scrapped.

Aaaanyway, I whipped up Gildor yesterday. Most unfortunately, the version I'm going to show you is purely for promotion. My original plan to rig him to Gimli's animations just didn't work out at all (weapon was too long for him to hold properly, and Gimli just doesn't move much like an Elf at all). The animations used in these renders are from BfME II, and thus cannot be used in BfME I (until somebody cracks the difference between I and II anims or EA breaks down and gives us plugins to edit II anims).

I had originally planned to give him a bardiche, but apparently the blade of a bardiche is connected to the haft in two places, not one (as I have here for Gildor). I haven't a clue what you'd call this weapon instead .

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Edited by CeleglinAtSchool, 07 March 2007 - 01:34 PM.