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Posted 06 November 2006 - 11:55 PM

Cirdan could have some kind of power based on his friendship with Osse. Maybe a water based attack, but finding some way to be different to the loudwater fury type spells. Also I think he should be extremely difficult to kill as Cirdan was a real survivor and possibly have some powers related to avoiding death and harm. He'd lived through all the hardest times in Middle-Earth, fought in many wars, been in many sieges and still lived.

With Elladan and Elrohir maybe when one of them dies the survivor could go into a rage and become highly resistant to damage and with a fast AOE attack for a short period. Not sure whether than can be done or not. When Elladan and Elrohir are together a passive fear effect on level one orcs would be good to because they did hate the orcs and killed loads of them with the rangers of the north.

Unit types and heroes all look spot on. Not much to add really, you'll do a better job dreaming powers up than we can :p.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:10 AM

Cirdan could have some kind of power based on his friendship with Osse. Maybe a water based attack, but finding some way to be different to the loudwater fury type spells.

Do you think a storm ability (just rain and wind, no lightning) would suffice?

Also I think he should be extremely difficult to kill as Cirdan was a real survivor and possibly have some powers related to avoiding death and harm. He'd lived through all the hardest times in Middle-Earth, fought in many wars, been in many sieges and still lived.

Agreed. I'll start brainstorming possibilities there.

With Elladan and Elrohir maybe when one of them dies the survivor could go into a rage and become highly resistant to damage and with a fast AOE attack for a short period. Not sure whether than can be done or not.

That's an idea and a half... Not sure of how possible it is though.

When Elladan and Elrohir are together a passive fear effect on level one orcs would be good to because they did hate the orcs and killed loads of them with the rangers of the north.

Another possibility.

Unit types and heroes all look spot on. Not much to add really, you'll do a better job dreaming powers up than we can :p.

Thank you kindly, but you put too much faith in my ability to dream up powers lol.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:30 AM

For Elladan and Elrohir's rage thing, give them each a fireweaponwhendead behavior. For the weapon, give it huge range, no damage, and an attribute modifier nugget. The attribute modifier could give bonuses, and it can set a model condition (which can be used in the unit's code to change his weapon to one with an AOD, and faster animations). Oh, and make the weapon affect only the two heroes (radiusdamageeffects line I think).

Edit: I think a storm power would be good. Maybe let him target an area, and have the storm then linger for a while?

Edited by Nazgul Lord, 07 November 2006 - 01:31 AM.

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#44 Elvenlord

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:36 AM

The storm was originally my idea :p I think :grin:
the rage thing sounds awesome :p

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:41 AM

what did i tell you about thinking you made stuff up :p . i have heard that idea from someone about 6 months ago
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:41 AM

For Elladan and Elrohir's rage thing, give them each a fireweaponwhendead behavior. For the weapon, give it huge range, no damage, and an attribute modifier nugget. The attribute modifier could give bonuses, and it can set a model condition (which can be used in the unit's code to change his weapon to one with an AOD, and faster animations). Oh, and make the weapon affect only the two heroes (radiusdamageeffects line I think).

Good thinking!

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:45 AM

no way.....
he wasn't going to have any powers back then, so why someone would think of it :p

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:52 AM

Now i'm just thinking out loud but maybe that storm power you guys are talking about could be like a Freezing Rain/Cloud Burst/Darkness type thingy. It gets summoned in an area (should be the majority of the screen) and gives a leadership bonus to all allies and a negative leadership to all enemies (if this sounds a bit off-balanced keep in mind that it's in a small area and will go away after a minute or so).
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:56 AM

That's a pretty good idea :p

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 04:57 AM

Celeglin could you please explain the Forlindon Bows and the Axes of Harlindon? (How they came to mind). Apart from those everything sounds awesome, especially the minstrels. Maybe add some new units for the other existing factions as well, because the Eriador Elves get 8 types, (the Rhovanion 7). I was thinking during the day about some of the units that could be featured:

Gondor
Heroes-Denethor, Halbarad (this would lead to the conclusion that Aragorn should be in Gondor), Imrahil, Beregond
Units-Dunedain (summon [for Eriador Elves as well]), Knights of Dol Amroth, Citadel Guards

Rohan
Heroes-Erkenbrand (lesser version of Aragorn; buff up the other heroes)
Units-Royal Guards, Helms Shields

Mordor
Heroes-Mouth of Sauron, Nazgul on foot/horse
Units-Corsairs of Umbar, Haradrim Riders

Isengard
Heroes-Wormtongue, Sharku
Units-Uruk Scouts (remember Amon Hen?), Warg Riders with bows (there were some in the movies)

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:20 AM

Celeglin could you please explain the Forlindon Bows and the Axes of Harlindon? (How they came to mind). Apart from those everything sounds awesome, especially the minstrels.

Forlindon Bows - Noldorin mounted archers. Preliminary balance thoughts: good armour and attack, middling speed, and bad trample.
Axes of Harlindon - Sindarin axewielders. Preliminary balance thoughts: basic infantry, low armour, good speed, middling attack

Maybe add some new units for the other existing factions as well, because the Eriador Elves get 8 types, (the Rhovanion 7).

Do I really have to add more units to the original factions? Isengard has 9 different units, while Mordor has 11. Not to mention that both of the Elven factions have a non-attacking unit (Eriador has two). Thus effectively moving their unit counts to 6, which is equal to Gondor and is one less than my new Rohan. (These counts do not include summons)

Thanks for all your thoughts though. If I need to make more units for the original factions for balance, I'll definitely consult your list.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 04:55 AM

Sounds brillaint. As of now the elves have a rather overwhelming number of heroes for a single faction, that could definetley remedy that.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 05:48 AM

Thanks for the compliments. What I meant though was how did you find them in the books (if they were even in the books)?
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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:12 PM

What I meant though was how did you find them in the books (if they were even in the books)?

Cirdan had lead sorties/attacks of Sindarin axemen a few times over the course of the years (can't think of specific examples atm, but I know at least one happened during the Wars of Sauron and the Elves)... Forlindon Bows are basically my own creation. There were a good number of Noldorin Elves in Lindon during the Third Age, and I figured horse archery would be a worthy skill for these High Elves. As for why I decided on Sindarin for Harlindon and Noldor for Forlindon... There are some implications that the Sindar settled in the south (Har), with the Noldor in the north (For), and had Mithlond as a centre for the two.

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 05:15 AM

Makes sense to me. Thanks
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#56 Elvenlord

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:20 PM

Could you possibly make it so the Forlindon bows can shoot while moving? ;)
That would be awesome! :p




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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:35 PM

if you split them how would their spellbooks differ ;)

happy 300 elven :p :p :thumbsupsmiley:

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:37 PM

Ummm....good question :p

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:41 PM

unless they have the spellbooks different i dont think they should be split
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#60 Elvenlord

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:44 PM

I don't see what he could change, except maybe the last one :p

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