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[Celeglin]

I don't see how having armour would make you more resistant to trample. At the end of the day, you've got a giant horse charging right into you, and armoured guys won't be able to move out of the way, whereas unarmoured guys will

Go out and find a horse. Put a breastplate on and get it to step on you. Try that again without the breastplate on. Report back to let me know which hurt more.

*looks at all the new fortress stuff*

Kill me now...

[swan]

I don't see how having armour would make you more resistant to trample. At the end of the day, you've got a giant horse charging right into you, and armoured guys won't be able to move out of the way, whereas unarmoured guys will

I don't know, I haven't been in such situation yet but armoured guy is harder to kill with normal weapons, like spears or lances. But it doesn't matter - armoured or not, units armed with bows can't stop charge and take so little damage. Of course, it depends on enemy's horse, too. But seriously, light units can't survive charge.

giant horse charging right into you

Usually, a row of horses charging into you. There's no place you can escape, heavily or lightly armoured.

Edit:What's the problem with fortress stuff?

Edited by swan, 09 December 2006 - 05:59 PM.

[Celeglin]

Edit:What's the problem with fortress stuff?

There's a lot of it .

[Olorin]

Too much coding. And as swan asked before what are your ideas (if any) for Gildor? He should at least have a fear ability as he frightened away the Nazgul (something to do with a song) and a bit of leadership. But that's too similar too Glorfindel.

[Celeglin]

My ideas for Gildor are quite limited at the moment. Some sort of bonus/affiliation with the Minstrels... Other than that... don't know.

[Elvenlord]

He would be kinda hard to do, I don't really see him as a fighter.
Maybe stuff like heal all units on the map, ummm... can't really think of anything else

[swan]

Maybe something like Saruman's ability which takes over enemy units? Called "Elven Song". With leadership, small healing power and fear he would be a great support hero. Or maybe a kind of invisibility for nearby units?

[Phil]

Or something more basic like a power that takes away all enemy leadership bonuses in a certain area surrounding him (so kinda like freezing rain). I don't know, but I use to like those pretty basic powers

[Ecthelion]

He could be a scout like hero as he had been informed aout the hobbits, maybe he could have an ultimate which reveals all heroes on the map? That might be quite interesting.

[Phil]

Yeah, also quite "interesting" to code...

[Ecthelion]

is that a bad thing?

[Lauri]

yup..

[Celeglin]

Maybe something like Saruman's ability which takes over enemy units? Called "Elven Song". With leadership, small healing power and fear he would be a great support hero. Or maybe a kind of invisibility for nearby units?

- I like the idea for "Elven Song"... Though I may have to change the name.
- Yeah, he'll probably get leadership, and a small healing power might be good.
- Fear would fit the character, but Arwen and Glorfindel already have fear abilities.
- Invisibility for nearby units isn't possible as far as I know, unless I define Gildor as a tree...

Or something more basic like a power that takes away all enemy leadership bonuses in a certain area surrounding him (so kinda like freezing rain). I don't know, but I use to like those pretty basic powers

This I would do, but I haven't been able to get that anti-leadership working for a hero (not that I've tried very hard). Have you been able to do it?

He could be a scout like hero as he had been informed aout the hobbits, maybe he could have an ultimate which reveals all heroes on the map? That might be quite interesting.

And rather impossible. I could perhaps make it so he reveals small, random portions of the map with the ability, but I don't know if that's what I want to do with the character.

[swan]

Wow, Celeglin likes my ideas again

It's a pity that this anti-leadership power does't work.

[Olorin]

- Fear would fit the character, but Arwen and Glorfindel already have fear abilities.

Maybe if you take the fear away from Arwen, or make it so enemies cower in fear in his presence. Anyway, here are some ideas:

lvl 1-Leadership (resistant to fear/make units cower type leadership)
lvl 3-Athelas (heals nearby units as well)
lvl 7-that 'Elven Song' concept suits the character, so put that in

By the way, is Gildor supposed to be a powerful hero?

[Celeglin]

Maybe if you take the fear away from Arwen

No .

or make it so enemies cower in fear in his presence.

That may be a little overpowering.. Also, I tried it with Glorfindel, and it didn't work.

lvl 1-Leadership (resistant to fear/make units cower type leadership)
lvl 3-Athelas (heals nearby units as well)
lvl 7-that 'Elven Song' concept suits the character, so put that in

This is, for the most part, looking quite nice.

By the way, is Gildor supposed to be a powerful hero?

My instinct is to make him the "equivalent" of Arwen, but with different uses. However, I just don't know enough about the character (he doesn't do much to show us what he could do on a battlefield) to say otherwise.

[Olorin]

Well, just to clear one area up, how would he attack?

[Celeglin]

Well, just to clear one area up, how would he attack?

That's an excellent question . I'm hovering over staff, short sword, or some sort of polearm... Which really doesn't narrow it down very far (well... No axes or ranged weapons, that's for sure ).

[Olorin]

Staff is looking good, unless you make him attack like Galadriel (without the AoE). Also, maybe he could give leadership to the Sentinels.

Edited by Olorin, 11 December 2006 - 05:34 AM.

[Celeglin]

Nah... Galadriel's "magic blast" is based off the concept that she bears Nenya, a Ring that was used to keep evil away from her land. The knocking-back-enemies attack is my mini version of the power of Nenya... Not an overly good concept, but it's there. Gildor has none of that Ring stuff to fall back on.