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[Olorin]

Well it's got a good number now, and anyway, it's probably best to put in the heroes who were notable in the 3rd Age. It would be cool to see some soldiers of Gondolin though .

[swan]

As I said before, I like Gondolin, but I don't think that a lot of Gondolin Elves survived after the Morgoth's attack. I'm not sure, but it was less that 1000. I have to find Silmarillion.

Edit: OK, I can't find the concrete number, but how many Elves could pass by the mountains, in snow and cold?

Edited by swan, 14 December 2006 - 03:15 PM.

[Núkumnëhtar]

The exact number is unknown, but 800-2000 is a good range estimate.

[adummy]

The exact number is unknown, but 800-2000 is a good range estimate.

well, well, well. look who comes back out of the blue . what brings you here anyway Núkumnëhtar?

[Lauri]

spam...?

anyways, before you start on this mod Cel, take a break

[Olorin]

Yeah, you deserve it.

[Olorin]

What about a new arrow upgrade for the Elves? Sorta like EA's Silverthorn arrows, i.e. they have a knock-back effect. It doesn't seem right Elves using fire around their forest dwellings, so maybe change that factor.

[swan]

I like this idea - fire arrows don't suit Elves. But I'm afraid that making other arrow type would bring a lot of problems with balance. Which type of damage could they deal?
So probably Elven arrows won't change.

And about arrows: don't you think that Elves should shoot more accurate? Is it possible to reduce the heroes dodge effect (agains Elven arrows)?

[Lauri]

if he changed the fire effect away, he could still have the same damage on the new one.... duh...

[zimoo]

To those who said fire arrows don't suit Elves:

As soon as the host of their enemies was dense in the valley, they sent against it a shower of arrows, and each flickered as it fled as if with stinging fire.

- The Hobbit, The Clouds Burst

That alone should be enough to justify fire arrows for elves IMO.

[Ecthelion]

Never previously heard that quote, and it does seem to imply they had fire arrows. I think some of the elven units having a single use ability to lob a weapon like a glaive towards an enemy would be quite cool

[Gherrick]

To those who said fire arrows don't suit Elves:

As soon as the host of their enemies was dense in the valley, they sent against it a shower of arrows, and each flickered as it fled as if with stinging fire.

- The Hobbit, The Clouds Burst

That alone should be enough to justify fire arrows for elves IMO.

It was a metaphor !! "AS IT FLED AS IF WITH STINGING FIRE" AS IF WITH not WITH....I would give them some sort of wounding arrow (orange FX and mooore damage) but its Celeg's mod so I can't complain about Fire Arrows.

[zimoo]

Yes and the whole balrog wings thing was a metaphor, yet many people still include that.

My point was, that there was an undeniable quote linking elven arrows to fire. There is nothing else anywhere (as far as I know) that contradicts that, and says that they had magical arrows which knocked back enemies.

[mike_]

About Gildor...if ya'll want to, we (as in Cel) could use the GW representation of him:
Scroll down a bit...
Powers-wise, he has an ability in the SBG, where he can 'Transfix' Enemies, rooting them to the spot. I think this could well within TEA, perhaps a small area instead of one unit, yes?
Also, I'm afraid that I blatantly don't like the idea of him fightin' with a staff. If you look at the afore-mentioned model, he uses a rather unique Elf Blade, more like a rapier than a two-handed weapon.
This is just the ramblings of a newcomer, so pay me no heed if you will.

[Olorin]

Well Glorfindel (armoured), Erestor and Thranduil look awesome. Aside from that, well, Gildor doesn't look to bad with a sword. Looks like a nice idea, however, we can't be sure that those things are accurate.

Anyway, about the whole Elven arrow thing: first, knock-back is not necessarily magical, the arrow just hits the enemy with a hell of a lot of force; second, think about it, people living in a forest using fire as a weapon ; third, the 'arrows flickering with fire' thing is a metaphor, nothing more; and finally, I'm sure that Tolkien (though I'm not speaking on his behalf) wouldn't have created a huge, flaming monster without wings. It would look pretty stupid without them.

[Elvenlord]

Yeah, it might just mean the light reflecting off them.......
But I'm not saying to change it, that would take a lot of work(maybe )

[Celeglin]

About Gildor...if ya'll want to, we (as in Cel) could use the GW representation of him:
Scroll down a bit...

That's kinda close to what my ideas were for him. I'll probably be using some elements from both my Rivendell clothing designs as well as some from the Sentinels.

Powers-wise, he has an ability in the SBG, where he can 'Transfix' Enemies, rooting them to the spot. I think this could well within TEA, perhaps a small area instead of one unit, yes?

Elrond's Vilya ability already does this.

Also, I'm afraid that I blatantly don't like the idea of him fightin' with a staff. If you look at the afore-mentioned model, he uses a rather unique Elf Blade, more like a rapier than a two-handed weapon.

That's alright if you don't like it. My problems with giving him a sword, however, lie in the fact that every Elven hero I've made (bar Galadriel) wields a sword. Furthermore, I don't want Gildor to be a particularly powerful attacking hero. I want to focus on him being more of a disrupter/support hero. Lastly, I just wanted to make it clear that he'll be wielding a quarterstaff, not a Gandalf/Saruman-style staff.

Well Glorfindel (armoured), Erestor and Thranduil look awesome. Aside from that, well, Gildor doesn't look to bad with a sword. Looks like a nice idea, however, we can't be sure that those things are accurate.

I actually hate their Thranduil. The other's aren't bad.

[Olorin]

Well, the staff looked nice . The two things I don't like about him are the armour and the face. The face doesn't suit him at all, whereas the armour just looks bleh. The green on him looks nice, but could be contrasted with a little black or a darker shade of green. The sword is the highlight there. Anyway, now I'm rambling.

Oh and one more thing: if you could make Erestor a hero for Rhovanion just like the model they have there that would be, ummm, **gets the thesaurus out to find a synonym for 'awesome'**, great? Splendid? Perfect? You get my drift.

[zimoo]

I wouldn't say a staff would be suitable for Gildor, although a spear definatly would. The vanyar were famed for their skill with spears, so it seems likely that he'd wield one.

[Lauri]

GW's Thranduil sucks big time
but yeah, as zimoo said, it would be pretty cool if Gildor would wield a spear..