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[Uruk King]

I think leadership should be allowed to stack for Mordor, because that's what Mordor specializes in, because they don't exactly idolize upgrades for their infantry, as well as the power of their heroes to still fear into the enemies hearts. In the Case of the Morkwood faction, there may be less leadership heroes, but their infantry upgrades are superior to that of their enemies, and they have more durable infantry (Do they?), not to mention their untilization of nature to their advantage. The same can be said for Erebor, in which there aren't as many heroes as Gondor or Rohan but they have stoat durable infantry and immensly strong upgrades. Gondor and Rohan combine both decent upgrades and leadership.

[Elen Naro]

Wouldn't Mordor's strength lie in huge numbers and big monsters?

[Lauri]

I would assume so...
atleast for the standard faction
Of course you get heavier stuff in the Mini Factions...

Edited by Lauri, 15 January 2008 - 11:10 PM.

[Uruk King]

That is true, but the point is Mordor was pretty weak to start of with in BFME, it shouldn't be an easy apponent. And now they have a lot of leadership units to make them an even deadlier faction

[MasterSilver]

I wouldn't call driving hordes of orcs in front of you to attack your enemies leadership, but that is just me. If anything Nazgul should demoralize everyone, I mean come on they're depressing. The good guys should just be a bit more scared because they're the one the Nazgul are after. On a side note I wonder how many orcs the Nazgul have killed just for fun?

[cahik_]

On a side note I wonder how many orcs the Nazgul have killed just for fun?

I doubt that they killed just single orc for fun. Remember that they dont have own will, since they lost it to the ring. So i dont think that they do anything just for fun or just to kill some time

Anyways mordor leaderships/debuffs are things to be consider when we go through beta testing. Then we may need to change few things or make some leaderships specific to some units or something. I am pretty sure that this thing will go through discoussion later.

[MasterSilver]

Hey your right man, but I'm glad to hear that you guys are still working on the fine details. Best of luck to you and the rest of the crew.
Peace

[Uruk King]

Have you decided on the Harad minifac units yet? Cause they aren't written down

[m@tt]

Yes. Most of them if not all of them I believe.

[Lauri]

and no, if their not on the list, we won't confirm them

[hman]

Yes. Most of them if not all of them I believe.

Last I remember there was talk of Far Harad being replaced.

[Dain Ironfoot]

Yes.

[hman]

By Rhun I'm guessing.

[Olorin]

But it isn't an Evil Men faction; Harad just combines the peoples close to that region that have similar (if not same) interests, like Umbar, Harad, Khand, etc. And Rhun wasn't really that close.

Edited by Olorin, 02 February 2008 - 02:51 AM.

[m@tt]

Rhun = East, there is land to the east of Mordor which is part of Rhun.

[Lauri]

The minifactions aren't about neighbors if you think that
It's about allies...

Ie, Mirkwood and Rivendel... Gondor and Dunedain... ect

[Bard]

Well, if we're going into technicalities here,

This version of Rhun (at least to me) represents the successor realms and descendants of the Wainrider Empire that extended south of Rhun into the lands of Khand and Harad (and who actually fought together as allies and against each other as enemies, during the Wainrider Invasion of Gondor, T.A. 1851-1944) at the time of the War of the Ring.
It also (to some extent) explains the presence of chariots within the armies of RA's Harad faction, eventhough they are absent in the books and the films.

In addition to what Matt and Lauri have stated, the Rhun mini-faction for Harad is derived from various cultural and military "influences" that the realms of Rhun and Harad seem to share (in the films at least) and implied relations and trade, based on several instances:

-Both realms have a serpent as their banner icon, though of differing colour, they seem have a similar design.

-Some of the Haradrim can be seen wearing Easterling armour and carrying Easterling polearms and scimitars (they're prominent in the Two Towers scene where a Haradrim contingent gets ambushed by Rangers in Ithilien). Easterling scimitars are further mentioned to have been purchased by the Haradrim in the canon WETA movie guidebook 'Weapons and Warfare', due to the scarcity of metal resources within Haradwaith itself.














So no, don't expect this mini-faction to be an attempt by the RA modders to assimilate the Rhun and Harad civilizations into another one of those "Evil Men" factions.

Edited by Bard, 03 February 2008 - 02:50 PM.

[Olorin]

Oh, that's new. I suppose it was a little obvious though.

So you're saying that this could be another possibility for a Harad mini-faction instead of Far Harad, right?

[Uruk King]

That's quite a good idea.

[hman]

Yeah and it would kinda make things seem more balanced if there were 2 minifactions shared by 2 factions, instead of just one.