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[Nazgûl]

If you think I'd remove Sauron, you're way off... lol

[Grig]

I'm not saying remove Sauron, I'm saying he should have been in the Mordor faction as a normal hero from the beginning because I don't like Ring Hero's and think its one of EA's worse idea's

Still, since we've gotta have the Ring Hero's, Tom is an all around better RH than Galadriel because its not such a HUGE breech of realism

Edited by Grig, 17 September 2008 - 04:03 AM.

[Nazgûl]

Hehe no worries. Everyone's welcome with ideas
They're not bad, it's a just a little off of my coding skill chart

For Beta 4.7 we'll have:
Sauron as Ring Hero for Evil sides, and Tom Bombadil for Good.

For BEta 4.8, I'll primarily go for Saruman for Isen. Other than that, I don't know. I still want another system for Good sides that excludes them using the Ring, but rather destoying it somehow.

[Gfire]

I don't know how that can work, unless the good forces carry mount doom around with them everywhere. I thought Tom Bombadil wasn't effected by the ring.

Edit: The whole ring hero doesn't make sense. Sauron is the only one who can completely use it, and it just doesn't work for balancing with the other ones.

To be realistic, Gondor's ring hero would probably be Denethor, but he would be so useless.

Edited by Gfire, 27 September 2008 - 06:09 PM.

[Nazgûl]

This is like a game of Tennis

[verdantabyss]

it would be cool if you could make sauron a bit stronger - he swings his mace too slowly IMO - in the film he swung it pretty quickly and also horizontally, not just vertically - i know that would make him a bit overpowered but he IS sauron - in the film everybody was too afraid to hit him, they just stood there while he knocked entire batallions out of the way - so maybe he could have a passive fear-inducing ability too that makes it difficult for armies to get close to him

i'm just throwing ideas out there atm, but it would definitely be cool to make him a bit stronger =)

Edited by verdantabyss, 28 September 2008 - 02:22 AM.

[Lauri]

Tom Bombadil fits very well for the Goods ring hero actually...

Because the ring didn't have any effect on him, it can't corrupt him..
It will however, corrupt any other wielder, so why not give it to the only one not affected by it's corrupting?
Of course, I wouldn't have made him as good as Sauron is when he's got the ring (atleast in the vanilla), but yeah..
Good enough, and any good enough hero is better to get than having to fight a tough one

[njm1983]

You know at first Tom sounded like a rediculous idea, but the more I think about it, it makes sense. He cant be corrupted by it, so it doesnt affect him. even in the books it was implied that Tom could guard the ring, but ultimately they chose a different course, because he might forget the serious nature of the ring and lose it, or Sauron would eventually destroy everything until all that was left was tom.

You got my vote!

[Jeth Calark]

if Tom is the Ring Hero, please give him some better powers!

[Grig]

That shouldn't be hard, just give him all of the powers Galadrials ring form has - like the wind storm and all that.

Glad everyone likes my idea I knew I had the makings of a genius lol

[Nazgûl]

It's a great idea and a perfect compromise in lack of higher coding possibilities

*decided*

[Gfire]

Oh, I never thought of it from that point of view. I like that. Are the ring heroes going to have more than two powers?

[Lauri]

Sometimes it's better not to think "Hm, who can get most powerful?"

And yes, the council wanted to give the ring to Tom, but expected him to forget about it

[zachdaddy_3000]

I am here to give my support to the Tom idea, but the power to summon will have to be taken off of the good power trees and replaced.

[Grig]

Well. in the single-player campaign, there are abilities that aren't seen in the normal power tree... perhaps that bonus that amps up the power and health of hero's? The passive ability with the leaf picture?

Or, since you can summon an Elven and a MOTW horde, perhaps adding the KD Veterans from the dwarf faction as a four-unit summon would be a good replacement?

Edited by Grig, 30 September 2008 - 02:56 PM.

[Captain Beremir]

if you want to make the good factions have to destroy the ring, then how about this:

When Gollum is killed, you pick up the ring. This hero/unit (in order to make it seem as if the ring is weighing them down) becomes much slower on their way back to the fortress. When destroyed, all enemy units should get crippled in some way (like 25-50% less health, or less speed, or less armor or damage)

Then perhaps there could be a way to "re-forge" the ring as evil for like 20,000 resources (only after its been destoryed)

This might be hard to do, but I think it would be pretty cool. (Imagine your evil and siegeing a base and all of a sudden your units get massacred )

[Dunadan Arathor]

Well... lets wait and see Tom and his new overpowered OneRing songs