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[verd]

it would be cool if you could make sauron a bit stronger - he swings his mace too slowly IMO - in the film he swung it pretty quickly and also horizontally, not just vertically - i know that would make him a bit overpowered but he IS sauron - in the film everybody was too afraid to hit him, they just stood there while he knocked entire batallions out of the way - so maybe he could have a passive fear-inducing ability too that makes it difficult for armies to get close to him

i'm just throwing ideas out there atm, but it would definitely be cool to make him a bit stronger =)

quoted in the hopes that it wont get unceremoniously ignored this time

[aNaRcHiSt44]

THat would concern balance issues I'm afraid (I think), I mean; he has tonnes of health, and from what I've seen, he has a massive armour value too. Heroes with the same amount of health as him generally die about three times as fast. Also, he already has a massive area-of-effect attack that can pretty much kill entire armies, coupled with his fear-shockwave ability and his destruction ability. Raising his cost higher would still keep him unbalanced. True to the movies=definitely, and it's a great idea too Fair on the enemy=no. He'll come out eventually no matter what happens basically due to the defensive style of SEE, then what will be able to stop him? By hismelf, he can ravage pretty much everything, but with an army at his back he would be totally unstoppable.

Again, great idea and I rather like it because I love Sauron, but still, in terms of game balance, I'm not sure.

[Gfire]

I just read the parts about TB in FotR. It says he was not affected by the ring BECAUSE he did not want power at all. He also could not control nature, or the trees of the forest. This really doesn't fit with him as a ring hero. The Ring wouldn't give him any extra power, nor does he want it.

[Jeth Calark]

He couldn't control nature? He managed to make the Old Man Willow let go of the hobbits.

No, the Ring wouldn't give him extra power, but please deal with it. He's only a temporary fix, and will be changed later.

[kraken]

I just read the parts about TB in FotR. It says he was not affected by the ring BECAUSE he did not want power at all. He also could not control nature, or the trees of the forest. This really doesn't fit with him as a ring hero. The Ring wouldn't give him any extra power, nor does he want it.

To be honest, with all the good factions you'll have the problem about the ring heroes as pretty much all the heroes who could have wielded it rejected it (Aragorn, Galadrial and Gandalf to name but 3). Okay, the idea of a novelty ring hero is appealing (something like Samwise the Brave) but possibly not the most powerful or useful (Sam against Sauron? Obviously too weighted in Sam's favour). If it is a quick fix, then Tom probably is better than a corrupted Galadrial though (hey, if she becomes corrupted why not go further and have an evil, all powerful Gandalf for men?)

Do like the idea of the good factions destroying the ring, either to make it game over or to cripple any of the evil factions. Another thought though, what about the ring "hero" being the remaining members of the Fellowship for the factions? So you get the ring back to your base, and after the timer ends you have under your control the entire fellowship of the ring (with Frodo holding onto it) with all the members at level 10 and, if they are reasonably close to each other, with a heavy attribute increase so you are rewarded for using them as a group rather than just 9 random heroes (they did fight pretty well together). Of course, doing so is reasonably risky as Frodo isn't the strongest hero out there and there is the real possibility of him being killed and you losing the ring.

Still has problems though. It makes the Men faction's ring hero very weak (wow, you get 1 elf, 1 dwarf and some hobbits...) and it still feels very much second best compared to Sauron (rather than close to even). Still, it avoids having a corrupt hero on the good sides and gives the player a group that would be very hard to defeat (the hobbits throwing rocks, Legolas shooting arrows and the resting fighting the enemy with swords/axes, keeping the orcs off the more vulnerable characters behind) whilst keeping it closer to the books and film.

Sorry if this has been said before, but I really don't have enough time to read through 21 pages on a thread.

[Lauri]

IIRC, Tom singed a song to let the tree let go of the hobbits He singed it asleep..

Anyways, my point in having Tom as the good guys' ring hero, is because he is the only one who can't be corrupted by it... He shouldn't get any super powers, but should manage well in battle, but he shouldn't be any match against Sauron of course Just a strong little hero for the good guys..

[Nazgûl]

Exactly =)

[Grig]

Just like Galadrial was no match for Sauron - Tom shouldn't be either. He should be 'powerful' when compared to the other hero's but I doubt the team is trying to replace Sauron or Saruman here.

So no worries dude ^^

[Mathijs]

Apart from the fact he's long dead.

[Jeth Calark]

Isildur is worse than Galadriel. She resisted the Ring's temptation, he utterly failed it.

[Gfire]

Why do you need the ring to get Tom than? It wouldn't even make him more powerful, though he would be good to protect the ring until you could destroy it. He would have been a good addition to the fellowship, if he ever left his territory.

[Grig]

Think of him as a ring guardian rather than a ring hero - since they can't script in a 'ring destruction bonus' thing it makes more sense just to use Tom until they've worked out a new script

[Jeth Calark]

very good point.

[Lt Commander Chris]

This is a hard one, but I would like to posit a suggestion...

Have a choice of who you give the ring to. Obviously for Mordor, the only option is Sauron, but for Isengard choose between Saruman and Sauron, and for the good factions, if you can identify 2-3 viable and serious people who could bear the ring in battle, let you choose but one of them from the list - possibly existing heroes, but when you have the ring in the fortress, give the option to recruit which you want, then the one which you don't choose can be again recruited normally...?

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

I think, for the good factions only, we could have the option of giving the ring to one of the current heroes (recruitable from the fortress). This would be a one-off upgrade to the hero making him slightly stronger and with a knockback effect. Maybe, a slight FX aura surrounding them and if you give the ring to Galadriel (without ring version) she becomes the storm queen with the proper skin and new powers.

Basically, that way, any good hero can carry the ring and the hero's power timers, strenght, speed and defence etc. would be increased or decreased to make him a really strong hero, a kind of guardian of the ring. But for all evil factions, sauron should be the only one.

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

I have a "movielike" suggestion. If a good faction has the ring they must destroy it, so when its in your fortress, then you just guard it, but you have an option to destroy it by sending all your heroes out, like the fellowship.Then all your heroes would return to the fortress and then leave the screen. They would be away for maybe 10-15 minutes, but when they return ALL of them would be level 10, because of the "adventures they took part in". So that would be a huge boost to your army but also dangerous when all of your heroes away and you have to hold out only with your army. I think it's a very good idea, but could be very hard to code. Anyway, I think this is the most loyal to the nature of the Ring. I gladly hear any objections, but I think this is the best solution.

I think that would be a bit weird because that means that you could only get the ring once, and what if you find the ring and you have no heroes?

Maybe, a variation of your idea, like when the good factions get the ring, a mini volcano type thing pops up near your enemy base and you have to deliver it to the volcano whilst your enemy guards it. Except, I doubt any of that would be possible... But we can all dream!

[Grig]

Only problem is that most of those suggestions require coding skills that nearly all the coders on this forum lack ^^;

[Hermoor]

but he shouldn't be any match against Sauron of course wink.gif Just a strong little hero for the good guys..

That wouldn't be very balanced would it? And still, why should Sauron be so uber powered. He isn't the strongest spirit in middle earth. There are hidden things like for example Tom that has lived since the creation of the world. Maybe he did create it? Maybe he was one of illuvatars servants or maybe he is middle earth? We don't know, but the fact that he has lived since the first rain drop, Sauron hasn't...makes him definately more powerful than Sauron.

He doesn't even want the ring, he isn't affected by it. This means he is more powerful than Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel and even Sauron. Because Sauron was also coruppted and needs the ring. Tom makes it dissapear!? If you replace galadriel with Tom, he should be at least as powerful as Sauron. If not more powerful...