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[Scryer]

this hero thing you suggest " stinks " lke copy of Rhowanionn alliance mod !!!

I've never actually played the Rhovanion (sp?) Alliance mod because they made way too many sub-factions for me. It was just not my style. They had some great ideas, but in the end, it was too much for me to deal with at once which is why I never downloaded it.

If you haven't heard, the elves are getting split into subfactions (there is a detailed description above) but in a completely different way than what the RA did in their mod. At first I was against this, to be honest, but now I've come to like it a lot more. My whole previous post's point was to suggest that you could only build specific heroes for whichever elven subfaction that you have purchased - and that their powers suited their subfactions as well.

I can see how your post can be viewed as offensive. I don't mean to be a bossy tyrant, but I think that you might want to consider editing your post so that everyone knows that you're comparing my suggestion to the Rhovanion Alliance mod. -And that will be my last note on that.

[Gothmog14]

Lol, I don't think any of us have downloaded the Rhovanion Alliance mod just yet .

I like your idea better Scryer, though it is a lot like Rhovanion Alliance so I doubt it will get in. The Elves have too many heroes as it is, them being limited (in number, not in strength / cost) would be good.

If it matters, I also don't think the stinks comment was an insult.

[Devon]

Now with the elves, I highly suggest that you guys make the elven subfactions 'hero-specific'. What I mean by this is that you could only build Thranduil and Legolas if you had the Mirkwood allegiance purchased, etc. 'Hero-specific' subfactions would also encourage more purpose to their heroes as well. I do think that the Elven heroes have purposes in the battlefield but I honestly think that 'Hero-specific' subfactions would emphasize that even more.

Actually, you can buy heroes from any of the subfactions at any time, although whichever of the 2 you didn't start with will cost more, take longer, and not (still undecided) have powers until you purchase that subfaction too. So you could still get legolas if you're rivendell, but you won't be able to utilize his best skills until you buy it.

Edited by YodaWarrior, 05 March 2008 - 01:12 AM.

[Scryer]

Yoda, I like that idea about as much as my suggestion! I'd be happy with that kind of hero-restrictions for the elves. if you guys were keeping it like that.

Now comes another question: Should we also restrict MOTE's heroes the same way as the Elves get their heroes restricted? You know, I would gom on more about this but I think that it belongs in the MOTE thread.

[Lauri]

Lol, I don't think any of us have downloaded the Rhovanion Alliance mod just yet .

congratulations... your wrong

anyways, the hero-specific thingy would be good for Elves, I think, but not really MotW... There's no need to use an idea for every faction, and Elves are different from MotW (Elves, are very spread out... MotW aren't)

[Scryer]

Lol, I don't think any of us have downloaded the Rhovanion Alliance mod just yet .

congratulations... your wrong

anyways, the hero-specific thingy would be good for Elves, I think, but not really MotW... There's no need to use an idea for every faction, and Elves are different from MotW (Elves, are very spread out... MotW aren't)

I'm sorry but I was talking about the Evil Men faction (MOTE). I suggested that MOTE should get the same system implemented because they're also made up of two subfactions. Anyways, I think we're getting off-topic now....

[Devon]

I think MotE will just get the standard price increase that's on all of there units. Thats actually how it is currently in .06

[mike_]

I believe that I read somewhere there was a power in development that would give all of the Elven heroes heavy armour for the duration of the battle.
Personally, I see the Elves as being very laid-back, ill-prepared for battle before the War of the Ring broke out. However, once the fighting started, they truly geared up for war and "took the gloves off" so to speak.
Maybe this could be represented in-game like so: Before the power can be purchased, neither heavy armour nor forged blades may be purchased (if they are indeed used for this faction (and once they do, they can be purchased from the building they're purchased from (whatever that building may be, as I don't remember it))). In addition to this, all Elven heroes gain heavy armour for the duration of the battle.
Looking back, this seems a little overpowered...but hey, a suggestion is a suggestion lol.
Cheers,
-mike

[Devon]

The problem with that is that it pretty much forces you down one branch of the power tree...we're trying to make every way an option depending on your personal preference.

[Uruk King]

This is just a note of personal preference but I don't really like the idea of Radagast belonging to Rohan, he would have had slightly closer relationships with the elves, I know you added him to the Rohan faction to balance it out with Gondor having Gandalf. But I just don't see him having any such affinity to the Men of Rohan. Thats all.

[Myrdin]

i like this idea a lot, but elves are getting rid of ents ( rohan gets them ), they get some sorcerrer guys ( wathc videos )

[Fyro11]

This is just a note of personal preference but I don't really like the idea of Radagast belonging to Rohan, he would have had slightly closer relationships with the elves, I know you added him to the Rohan faction to balance it out with Gondor having Gandalf. But I just don't see him having any such affinity to the Men of Rohan. Thats all.

Hi there

Tbh, I don't think any wizard had an affinity with any nation. They are normally referred to as 'traveller', 'pilgrim' etc. They would not live in any one area too long, and they knew each nation just as much as they knew the other. For example, very few of Dwarves, Elves or Men even knew about the existance of Hobbits, yet Gandalf being 'The Grey Pilgrim' knew them inside out. And yet he knew the Elves just as much, as can be told by them naming him Mithrandir. Also, with the Dwarves in the Hobbit, they knew him, he knew them. Then you have Men from Gondor and Rohan who knew him rather well. With the Ents, they knew of Gandalf. So Gandalf was like equally known with all of them.

The same, or similar would be likely with Radagast as well, as he's from the Istari

Edited by Fyro11, 22 April 2008 - 10:50 PM.

[tylerman29]

excellent fyro , that was very nice explanation .. radagast is fine with rohan

[myster]

i dont think radagast was as well known as Gandalf he was more interested in animals then in humans/elves/dwarves/hobbits

[Dalf32]

radagast was more of a hermit than many of the other istari and, like myster said, was more concerned with animals than any of the other intelligent species.

[Fyro11]

radagast was more of a hermit than many of the other istari and, like myster said, was more concerned with animals than any of the other intelligent species.

But surely, and this is how I always thought, the Istari were in Middle-Earth for a purpose?? Otherwise they would've been in Eressea as they were Maiar, and Gandalf does return to the Undying Lands at the end of the Third Age, after completing his purpose. Btw, does anyone know the fate of Radagast in this regard?

[Dalf32]

the istari were sent to middle-earth to aid in the fight against sauron, even though they were not allowed to fight him directly. im not sure what happened to any of the other istari after sauron was defeated. i would assume they would only return to the undying lands if they wished; they wouldnt be forced to.

[myster]

fyro11, thats just the point. Radagast didnt furfill his purpose because he was too busy with the animals. In fact the only istari that actually aided in the fight against Sauran was Gandalf. So he probably also was the only one to return to the undying lands.

[dojob]

This could be a stupid question, but y didn't everyone just go to the undying lands?