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#421 Floris

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:32 PM

I DONT know if this idea had already been posted.
I saw a movie on Youtube, where the WK has a normal nazgul cloak and not a helmet.So if you could give the helmet as special power(Lord of the Nazgul or something)whit an amzing defence and attack bonus at level 7 or something would be cool :)
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:59 PM

Do you want me to post my ideas for special abilities?

True, but Isengard wasn't really anti-cavalry, they specialized in large attack forces. Anyways, Isengard only has one pikemen unit, how does that make it good against cavalry?


Their pikemen are one of the strongest in the game, I think.

I don't see any harm in posting your ideas.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:59 PM

mordor only has one anti-cavalry unit but they are quite powerful and making an elite one (which would have to be better) would not fit very well imo.
i would agree with scryer that isengard did speicalize in anti-cavalry somewhat but only because they needed to. the only enemy that they really fought was rohan who jsut so happen to be known as the horselords :)
i definitely wouldnt say that they specialized in large forces because if you compare helms deep (im assuming that this is what you were referencing with isengard) to minas tirith mordor mustered at least 10 times the force that isengard did. that easily makes mordor a massive force faction more than it does isengard.
isengards one pike unit also happens to be the very best in the game as far as i know it. if you fu them they can take out jsut about anything mounted (on a horse that is).
special abilities for what?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:16 PM

I DONT know if this idea had already been posted.
I saw a movie on Youtube, where the WK has a normal nazgul cloak and not a helmet.So if you could give the helmet as special power(Lord of the Nazgul or something)whit an amzing defence and attack bonus at level 7 or something would be cool rolleyes.gif

That sounds like a good idea, but he already has enough powers.

Their pikemen are one of the strongest in the game, I think.

I don't see any harm in posting your ideas.

Really? I always wipe them out with my cavalry :D

mordor only has one anti-cavalry unit but they are quite powerful and making an elite one (which would have to be better) would not fit very well imo.

What if you made Morannon Orcs anti-cavalry units instead. Shouldn't pikemen basically be cheap spammable units that are better at taking down cavalry than normal Orcs, why would they be elite?
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i would agree with scryer that isengard did speicalize in anti-cavalry somewhat but only because they needed to. the only enemy that they really fought was rohan who jsut so happen to be known as the horselords tongue.gif

Yes, but their pikemen didn't really work to well in them movies did they :)

i definitely wouldnt say that they specialized in large forces because if you compare helms deep (im assuming that this is what you were referencing with isengard) to minas tirith mordor mustered at least 10 times the force that isengard did. that easily makes mordor a massive force faction more than it does isengard.

I meant to say that Isengard had good attack forces, that were large compared to the good armies. Isengard had 10,000 at Helms Deep, and Mordor had 100,000 so Mordor definility had more :p

isengards one pike unit also happens to be the very best in the game as far as i know it. if you fu them they can take out jsut about anything mounted (on a horse that is).

See what I said to Scryer :p

special abilities for what?

Mordor's Orc units, remember this...

I still don't like the idea of upgrading the Orcs, they come from the place they are named after that is what makes them different. So in my opinion you should just give each of them special stats, or even some special abilities (I can give you some suggestions) to make them unique.


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 11:40 PM

Jaguar, if you dont want to find yourself, inside a cage and be sended straight to amazon forest, stop giving those " uruk " units to mordor no matter what.
Basically mordor shouldnt even have any pikeman - meatshield stuck, thats how they handled cawalery in BFME, and BFME2 im against even the weakest of pikeman for them, not even considering the elite wersions.

Isengard was one of the best cawalery countering races (and is in normal game, in Rj, Rhun gives serious competition to them, but yet they need to be buffed before they can even think about it further ) , and it should stay soo.

oh yeh fast forgot why im saing this " Isengard will prewail ! "
(uruk hai fan here, and i seriously hate those black sh*ts, that mordor has since they are shouldnt be soo strong as the " advanced hai wersions " )

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:28 AM

Well, last I checked Morrannon Orcs aren't Uruks, they're Orcs :D Sorry for posting my idea, what's wrong with factions sharing species, Rohan and Gondor both have men don't they? They have pikemen in the movies and the books, but I agree with you on that they should be weaker, like Orcs with pointy sticks :p I'm just trying to make Mordor have something different, since that is what people are asking for.

I never said anything about changing Isengard :)

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 08:16 AM

as it stands right now, Mordor IS different, even more then the original EA was, and that mordor was balnaced out pretty well with its units of orcs evil man and trolls. This is just " pre - Mordor " with dozens of orcs.
Mordor strategy was never based about elite units, it was alllllll about orcs and orcs spams, nazzies, cheap catas that can ignite group and cause fear, WK, trolls, and few evil man units.
Though goblins are even more spammier, they are weaker like " flank them and backstab soon after that ", but much more agile, while orcs are all about " cover the enemies in black tide, and slice the up "
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"Let the echoes of doom resound across this wretched world, that all who live may hear them and despair."


"Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world!"

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:22 PM

Well ten tell that to all of the people who were complaining about the Orcs all being the same and no fun, not me. I'm sure this topic was started for a reason, but I didn't start it. The only problem with Mordor is that there really isn't any difference between all of the Orc units, the only major differences are that some are upgradeable and they all have different skins. It would be nice for Mordor to have at least one elite unit, I don't know if there are any "elite units" in the lore though, of there is I'll tell you, but you are right in saying that Mordor basically used nothing but thousands of Orcs.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 04:06 PM

dude, you need to pay more attention. I saw you made same mistake with dalfs post too. Not all the content in the post is adressed to one person, usually its for wider audience, that is interested.
Same goes with my post, i was telling that to other people as well as to you.
"Let this scar signify the first blow against the mortal world."
"From this seal shall arise the doom of men,"
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"Blindly they build their kingdoms upon stolen knowledge and conceit."
"Now they shall be consumed by the very flame they sought to control."
"Let the echoes of doom resound across this wretched world, that all who live may hear them and despair."


"Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world!"

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:14 PM

The Morgul orcs are Uruks if you look at them. So they should be the heavy fighters.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:29 PM

dude, you need to pay more attention. I saw you made same mistake with dalfs post too. Not all the content in the post is adressed to one person, usually its for wider audience, that is interested.
Same goes with my post, i was telling that to other people as well as to you.

Oops sorry, I'm not that great with forums, I even accidentally insulted AA IP'er in the Hobbits thread :thumbsupsmiley:

The Morgul orcs are Uruks if you look at them. So they should be the heavy fighters.

Do you mean in the books, game,or movies? Good point, maybe Barad-Dur Uruks are a bad idea then.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 06:36 PM

The movies.

I don't mind insults. I enjoy them if they are well executed.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

Well, I haven't seen the movies in a long time, so I wouldn't know if they were or not.

How can you like being insulted? Insults are meant to hurt, not make you feel good :thumbsupsmiley:

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 09:43 PM

not that i mean to speak for you AA, but its probably not that he enjoys being insulted rather than he appreciates a good one.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 11:28 PM

Or likes to laugh at the lame ones.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:45 PM

Both, I enjoy the art of wit and sarcasm.
Jag, insults only hurt if you let them. If you don't give a damn about what others think of you, then it is really easy to enjoy an insult. I know who I am and what I am. My self-actualization is not base on others opinions of me. I don't need other people around me and liking me to feel good about myself. How I feel about myself is based upon my actions and my motives, not whether others like me. If I know I am doing what is right for the right reasons, that is all I need to be happy and have joy. When you no longer need people around you to define who you are, then they loose power over you. Say anything you want to me, I will not care. Nothing against you, but I couldn't give a damn what you thought of me.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:42 PM

Let's get back to Mordor, shall we?

I think the orc pikes are good atm since they were in the movies though could use some reskins since iirc they just looked like Isen pikemen, but instead of uruks, they're orcs. I'd really like to see some more variety of the pikes like pitchforks, spears, and whatever else orc pikemen had in the movies.

As for Morgul orcs, they just looked like orcs the last time i saw them, but with different armor, so basically better orcs.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:44 PM

They stand taller in the movies. That is how you can tell they are Uruk. They are the elite fighting force of Mordor so they should be your power punching heavy hitting steam rolling iron fist force.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:53 PM

agreed with dojob that the mordor pikes could use a reskin. theyre kinda silvery now and they could also use a new set of anims (im not sure whose) because they are too orderly, too much like uruks.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:07 PM

agreed with dojob that the mordor pikes could use a reskin. theyre kinda silvery now and they could also use a new set of anims (im not sure whose) because they are too orderly, too much like uruks.


I probably shouldn't be saying anything about animations since I don't know anything about coding animations. But I'm going to say anyways that maybe you guys could consider looking at the Easterling Pike/Spear units for the Orc spearmen animations? And I agree with the reskinning idea.

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