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[Shikari]

Hehe, I would love to see that Myrdin. Hopefully we can get something made in the future to look like this:

[Fyro11]

Suweeet! Slice and dicer!

Hmm, adolescent dragons; did they exist in the Eastern Regions of Rhún?

[Devon]

Damn, I hated those guys in the game

[Scryer]

Suweeet! Slice and dicer!

Hmm, adolescent dragons; did they exist in the Eastern Regions of Rhún?

No. They didn't from what I know.

MOTE already has enough firepower, with Blue Wizards (one of which casts illusions), Mumakil (hopefully they're getting their stats changed to be wicked units), Ringwraiths (one's even on a fell-beast!), Chariots, and some decent infantry. Oh and they have sorcerers. Adding dragons and/or baby dragons/drakes/whatever is overpowering them. Now, I know it feels like there isn't a lot of firepower to MOTE. But you don't need Raging Dragons or huge explosions to have immense power!

If there are going to be any dragons, then we need to take something away from MOTE to make it balanced (IMHO) because "fire" is an extremely powerful element in this game. And if these guys already have "disease" then this will just OP the faction even more. In the end I don't see where any kind of dragon fits, lore-wise, book-wise, film-wise (if that counts for anything), and gameplay-wise. Not only that but having dragons in MOTE would drastically change the way we would play MOTE.

Edited by Scryer, 20 May 2008 - 10:12 PM.

[Dalf32]

forgive me if i am mistaken but...scryer you speak as if the dragons were not in yet; which they of course are. the dragons are in rhun, while the mumaks are in the harad half of the faction; so taking this into account (and the fact taht only one of the wizards is not jacked up in price for rhun) and i dont think it op's them. jsut me of course, but take a look at myrdin's post; he says how they slow down leveling and how they cant be resurrected. they also cost 1500 + the price of the fortress expansion (dont remember how much that was) and there can only be 2 on the battlefield at a time (1 from each expansion).
i like 'em, so this is probably why im defending them, but they look pretty awesome in action

[Fyro11]

The expansion costs 800, I believe. And I fully agree with you Dalf. Just that I was hoping that there were young dragons in Rhún.

Edited by Fyro11, 21 May 2008 - 12:11 AM.

[Scryer]

Dalf, they don't fit at all with the lore. I feel strongly about this for the reasons I listed above. I'll leave it at that. Anyways, let's move on....

Edited by Scryer, 21 May 2008 - 01:16 AM.

[mike_]

Aye, Dragons only really fit anywhere as neutral units recruitable by the 'Untamed Allegience' Power.
That way, they're not REALLY part of any one faction - the only ones that were were the original Dragons, such as Glaurang and Angalacon the Black. And they had no real choice in the matter all that came after, such as Smaug, Scatha the Wyrm, and various Cold Drakes, acted relatively independently, primarily fighting Dwarves in the Mountains.
Cheers,
-mike

[Myrdin]

Shikary !!!! i love it love it love it LOVE IT DAAAAMN that pic is soo coool i definetly WANT to see that in the game ( WANT and no matter how it sounds )
you hit the nail on the head buddy thats, the thing i was speaking about. 10/10

now to scryer

there is aboslutely NONE evidence of Rhun getting that poison cloud thing as fortress upgrade, i repeat - absolutely NONE evidence, all that was said were just us fans, that posted some ideas.

as for the dragons i know, they do not really fit any faction, but hey . . . they are fun to play with soo why to be bothered - after all games are created for FUN ( and money cough cough ) and to mess around with dragon sure is fun.

as for dalf - you said it wery nice and clear - all the points why baby dragons dont give the OP touch to MotE ( posted in his post, if interested read it ).
I would definitely love to see the baby dragons get fortress upgrade ( 2500 ) that would make them bigger ( maybe some Rhun styled armor plating ), stronger and add one more abylity. But then there is the poison cloud ideas, soo generally its hard to choose ( though i think both are cool )

and yeh the mumaks, become a hulking crushing, scary thingy is a must

Edited by Myrdin, 21 May 2008 - 12:14 PM.

[Scryer]

True about the poison cloud. But it doesn't seem as out of place as adding dragons to MOTE. Okay, after this, I'm ending my part on this discussion...
To be honest, Dragons fit the Goblins the best because out of all of the factions, the Goblins seem like a neutral faction. I'm not saying that they are a neutral faction, but they give that feel since they have a lot of 'wild' units. It may be a game but adding units just for fun is a dumb choice that I think that this mod has avoided. Now let's move onto something else.

By the way, I dig the fact that Peter Jackson might make a reappearance as a Corsair hero. I definitely agree to that!

[Myrdin]

what do you mean by that ?

the last line ( Corsair hero ) i mean ?
sounds interesting

[Devon]

The problem with splitting them is getting ai among other things to work...

They could both almost be full factions, but they function best when used together with the other to make up for their weaknesses. They don't need splitting imo.

And also, you really think harad is stronger? I'd be interested in what stradegy you use...usually it seems that rhun is stronger.

[Scryer]

The problem with splitting them is getting ai among other things to work...

They could both almost be full factions, but they function best when used together with the other to make up for their weaknesses. They don't need splitting imo.

And also, you really think harad is stronger? I'd be interested in what stradegy you use...usually it seems that rhun is stronger.

In my opinion, Rhun can take a harder hit and Harad can dish out harder damage. I think that they're pretty equal, to be honest. I'm going to have to go with Yoda on this one.

Myrdin: A few pages back, someone mentioned (possibly Yoda?) that Peter Jackson might make an appearance as a Corsair hero.

[Pipo]

A cinema fan told me that this Umbar hero was played by P. Jackson.
So where could we find the right answer?

For my part, Harad should by a single faction, because thez use their own tatics (offense/defence).
For the 2 factions, the Corsair ballistas comes to late, or it's so hard to upgrade the builing in level 3 ...
I can't offer my opinion for the Rhun, because I haven't played with them enough : I prefer Harad, because of the similar things with persian race (elephant, ect...)
I'm sure that now, Harad got enough technologies and units to have their faction

That's just an opinion

[myster]

for your information he actually had 3 cameo roles. One in bree, one in helms deep and one as corsair as you can see on this pic:

http://upload.wikime.../44/Pjcameo.jpg

for a more clear picture of the cameo role of the corsair: http://www.sideshowt...322_press01.jpg

[Pipo]

Amazing !

Thank for this information !

[Myrdin]

lol, i NEWER noticed its the same person, always got carried away by the " movie " spirit


as for me i prefer Rhun. they give me a feeling of well trained mercenery legion, that brings death and fear onto battlefield.

but i DONT like the idea of them possibly be split, they work fine and theyre combined strenght can own badly ( try set up your army fully of Haradrim Guard, and Rhun wariors, both FU, it owns - and its hard to effectively counter, i a prob. with dwarfes, they had walled around base - not RJ map - and got catas, shooting fire cegs, dale archers abusing me, and wery hardly slayable heros, but in the end nothing that 3 olifants from oposite side ow his base couldnt solve, or even better to say all 3 bats of Black serpent guard, with Rhun Riders ).

you may think im anything about me, but i say - Dont like em ? Dont buy them ( none forces you to get the units of the second faction )

[Shikari]

The corsairs of umbar seen on the ship which is attacked by the army of the dead (extended edition only) are in fact almost entirely members of the production crew very few of them were hired actors.

[Myrdin]

i got Ex. edition, and yeh i like that part where gimly says " Alright, we warned you, prepare to be boarded " Pirate captain ( who looks pretty good, like some Chan or something ) " Boarded ?! by you and what army ? "

THIS ARMY !

bububububu


as for the balista problem, i got a solution, that is more original (kinda) than just copyring the balista and switching uruks for corsairs:

you remember the small balista ( 3 times bigger than normal xbow ), that they had on the ship ?
what about a siege group fo pirates 3 in batalions, (actually 6 - but they would count as 2:1 ), One pirate would be draging such huge balista and the other would carry arrows ( this two are ment to be " one " unit its just a model of two guys at once ).
They would come to the place ( the battalion ), where you wish them to be, and then they would " unpack " the balista ( takes 8 seconds ) - placing it on a tripod, and loading it with arrows. If you wish them to move you hit the " unpack " ( diferent name needed lol ) button, they pick up the stuff and go where ordered.
soo basically this " unpacinkg " works like dwarven siege hammer ( it can unpack, looses mobility but gains armor, etc )

the diference between them and other siege would be
- originalyt ( well it looks original, if you imagine it right )
- more wariabilyti = they would be pretty fast, and could shoot more accurate, of course the price would be that a single balista guys ( means the buddies 2in1 ), would be pretty weak if alone, and even if you got the full battalion the dmg would be still weak ( weaker than other siege ), instead you get fast, mobile, artilery with good range ( same as normal balista ) that shoot pretty accurate.
- they could lvl up, soo some additional hp would be always welcome
- they would act as " infantry " soo, armor same, knocbackable, and stunnable ( like living units ), they could maybe resist trample, as its hard to run through someone who holds 1 meter loong iron spear, but not saying that definitive.
- again, to wage, this they could benefit from FB upgrade ( and finally get dmg like other siege - at least a bit like ).
- its easier to control unit battalions than several siege ( coz they are too big, and run freely around )

soo basically, quick long range unit, with siege dmg, weaker at dmg, but accurate, easier to control in bigger numbers than normal siege is, and more original than the normal balista ( basically name could be " Balista twins ", Balistaman " or something )

the idea is not to create something overthrowing, something that would be stronger than balista. No. The idea is to get something more original, that could be easy to implement into your strategy. Something that looks good (and a bit funny)
and yet it would be not OP nor UP ( under powered ).
if you know old game named Battle Realms - there s a guys ( for Wolf clan ) who bears a HUGE balista on his back. That inspired me, the rest was up to imagination

Edited by Myrdin, 23 May 2008 - 07:04 PM.