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[Fyro11]

^ Word.

[Jaguar6]

@ Dalf32: What do you mean, Marchwardens, Rivendell Lancers, and Rivendell Swordmasters are all part of the War of the Ring time period and the Fall of Arnor time period. They would work for the Elves, tell me if I am missing any (besides Haven Spearmen). I can only see two toggle units that aren't already in the mod, Guardians of the Tower Hills and Forlindon Cavalry (which should probably just use bows).

@ Argeleb: I think that would be the best idea right now, give Arnor a Lindon sub-faction instead of the Elves.

@ Yoda: Rob only showed one Mithlond unit, the one that toggles between spear and sword with shield. Isn't Mithlond part of Lindon?

Edited by Jaguar6, 13 August 2008 - 06:34 PM.

[Scryer]

I'm with Yoda about renaming a mithlond unit. There is no need to cram Lindon down everyone's throats.

Jaguar, the whole time-period thing with Arnor and Angmar is confusing you, I think. I don't mean to sound like an ignorant tyrant but you really should try to think of Arnor/Angmar being completely seperate. Like the ROTWK campaign and BFME2. Which is why I think that Arnor can get away with having Glorfindel or Elrond (?) .

Now onto Lore; Someone correct me if I'm wrong (*glances at Mike*) but wasn't the army that Glorfindel led mostly from Rivendell? I'm pretty sure the army was from Rivendell.. which would explain all of the Rivendell units. I don't remember there being a lot of involvement from Lindon during the Fall of Arnor time-period. And I know that they didn't do a lot (besides send the Elves on their way to Valinor.. I think..) in the WOTR. So no, I definitely don't think that these guys will make it into any kind of a faction/sub-faction/mini-faction at all because of their lack of importance during those timeframes. If someone wants to correct my lore, please go ahead.

Gameplay-wise, they would just crowd the game unless they were subtely (sp.) introduced as a summon or as a couple of units from the Inn. When I think of these guys, I'm reminded heavily of the 'Khand' discussion in the MOTE thread. I think that the most that the team could do (without giving the player the feeling that they're getting Lindon 'crammed down their throat') with Lindon is to give them 1 or 2 units in Arnor. But I would honestly say that they would work better either as: an Elves summon power or in the Inn system.

[Myrdin]

sigh, soo the tyrant role is up to me again, . . . fine.

Im gonna say it laud and clear comander ! No Lindon for elfs as minifaction, no weird unit/faction movements, no. NO.
Yet im not gonna make you feel soo bad comander, as there is some chance that they might become elven Inn Faction eventually, becouse the superiors were rethinking this possibility.
But dont let your hopes rise high !
Back to work comander, dissmissed !


.... (wtf with this " comander " stuff, damn im playing too much Tiberium Wars )

[Devon]

Rob showed the toggle unit and the archer...maybe we'll add an elven lindon/mithlond cavalry unit to arnor, too.

[Dalf32]

Forlindon Cavalry: Light cavalry that is used to patrol the coasts and borders of Lindon. They use bows, and can toggle to swords.
Harlindon Warriors: Light infantry from Harlindon that use twin axes. Although it seems unusual the elves from Harlindon were more Teleri then Noldor, and would use axes more than sword and bow.
Haven Spearmen: Heavy anti-cavalry units that can form a spear wall. They are armed with spear and shield, and are Lindon's main unit.
Mithlond Sentries: Light infantry that has dual roles as an infantry unit and cavalry unit. The Sentries can toggle between spear and sword with shield.
Guardians of the Tower Hills: Heavy ranged units that act like the Silvan Warriors for Mirkwood. They have heavy armor, and are armed with bow and sword. The Guardians of the Tower Hills also have a special stealth ability.
Sentinels of the Woody End: Really light ranged units that are extremely stealthy. They use bows, but when the enemy gets too close they can pull out swords, just like the Ithilien Rangers do.

3, not to mention the sentinels of the woody end.

scryer, nice handling of the time periods; couldnt have said it better myself.

jaguar, if any lindon units are added to arnor they would not be replacing hte elven subfaction. they are in fact elves, are they not? they would simply be a supplement to the already existing elven subfaction.

im for editing a current elven unit (or 2) in arnor as its probably the most likely.

Edited by Dalf32, 13 August 2008 - 09:17 PM.

[Puppeteer]

You wanna use that "crammed-down-the-throat" analogy again Scryer? lol

[Jaguar6]

Well I guess it's final then, but Lindon would still be cool

What I meant about giving Lindon to Arnor, was that you would get rid of the Elven sub-faction, and replace it with Lindon. The logic behind this was that Lorien didn't really help in the war with Angmar
Also, the force that attacked was actually from Lindon, Arthedain, Cardolan, and Rivendell, Glorfindel was chosen to lead the army in a special meeting. Lindon also lead the attack that eventually defeated the Witch King, and drove him from Angmar forever. If Lindon can't be a complete sub-faction for the Elves or Arnor, then I hope you give it some cool units

P.S. The Sentinels of the Woody End don't toggle, they just pule out swords when the enemy gets close, like the Ithilien Rangers.

Edited by Jaguar6, 13 August 2008 - 11:27 PM.

[Myrdin]

please no

[Jaguar6]

This is going to sound noobish, but "please no" what? Do you want me to stop stating my radical ideas

Edited by Jaguar6, 13 August 2008 - 11:28 PM.

[mike_]

Aye but yeah..the most logical thing to do would be to take the Lindon pike-sword guys in Arnor, swap their swords out for axes () and add them as a summon to the main Elven faction.

My reasoning for all of that has already been explained by others earlier in this Thread

[Jaguar6]

What if you gave Arnor two Mithlond/Lindon units, and you could give the same two units for the Elves as a summons, maybe it could be called "Warriors from the Havens". The two units could be Haven Wardens (the ones that toggle between spear and sword with shield from the previews) and Warriors of Lindon (they can use twin axes, for quicker attacks but less damage, or toggle to double handed swords, for slower attacks but more damage.). How does that sound?

[mike_]

Nah...they don't need to be that unique. Besides, the Elves' top-of-the-Christmas-tree unit will do basically the same thing.. >.>

[Argeleb]

I didn't mean to make a subfaction from Lindon. I just want that Lindon is in the game and with Arnor. I'm happy if there is units in Lindon, because they helped Arnor a lot(if I believe the book). Maybe Rivendell is fine with Arnor too, because Rivendell also helped Arnor. So there could be elves from theese three elf-lands? (Lindon,Mithlond,Rivendell) I think that Lindon subfaction and faction are bad ideas, because there are only few information about Lindon( I hate units, which are made up from somewhere).

So if there's 5 units in the elven barracks (as I suppose) that could be 2 from Mithlond(which we have seen in the news post) 2 from Lindon (maybe two-handed swordsman from the movies and a captain?) and one from Rivendell(cavarly, beacause Glorfindel leaded Rivendell cavalry in the Battle of Fornost)


Ps. Sry theese "I want" textes but my english is not too good so I can't say it friendlier

Edited by Argeleb, 14 August 2008 - 11:28 AM.

[Devon]

I would like to see


Rob's redoing the elves in arnor...atm I think there's only the two mithlond ones he showed in the update? Though spearmen of the havens might still be in...

[Argeleb]

Maybe Spearmen of the Havens could be name-changed to spearmen of Lindon? Because they are wearing same kind of armor than in the Last alliance and those were mainly Lindonish elves?

Edited by Argeleb, 14 August 2008 - 04:59 PM.

[Vithar-133]

Not sure if the Knifefighters will be changed into sword wielders, for the sake of Mirkwood's purpose in the mod, which is a light, hit-and-run style faction.

[Vithar-133]

Ok, so, do you know how much a sword weighs? I don't care if it is of Elven make or not. It's steel. Not mithril or some other extremely light metal. A twenty pound sword isn't a stealth weapon due to the length and weight. A two to five pound knife which is generally ten inches long at most is far more silent.