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[Excuse_me_princess]

Well, Uruk King, we're both on the same level.
I would really love too see cah becoming like D&D (Which is the same as the never winter night 2 system if I'm correct... we don't have D&D here in Europe)
Cah as of now, is nice... but not great, if you catch my drift, I personally expected more from it when I bought the game (It was to my satisfaction back then, but around now, I think it needs more tweaking)

I really do hope, the modders look into the external program thing, because I think when expanded, cah can become a very interesting game play feature and will give the game more replay value.

[Anri1]

Agree with EMP's ideas. This way CAHs would be realy extended without loosing modding-space. Hope it's possible.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Better yet, the way I see it, you could expand CAH and gain modding space.
As I said before, CAH is divided into 7 classes which are divided into 17 subclasses, all with their own codec, which all take up space (not much, but you get the picture)
Then you have you're skill trees which also take up space.
Take all you have and axe some things here and their, make it all into one class.
Give the player the ability to choose a race (in the armor and equipment menu) and all will go as it is, but with more options (as all characters can use every item available) on one side, and more modding space on the other.
Needles to say that all heroes will be unisex.

[Vithar-133]

I'm not sure that it's worth it to take the time to attempt this. If EA had made it like this before, CaH would have been much better in my opinion. But EA made a pretty constrictive system. What if I had wanted an Elven swordsmen? Toggle doesn't cut it, because I'd lose a space for the toggle, and some of the best powers are bow-only. And some of the groups really don't need two and three groups.

[Excuse_me_princess]

I'm not sure that it's worth it to take the time to attempt this. If EA had made it like this before, CaH would have been much better in my opinion. But EA made a pretty constrictive system. What if I had wanted an Elven swordsmen? Toggle doesn't cut it, because I'd lose a space for the toggle, and some of the best powers are bow-only. And some of the groups really don't need two and three groups.

I agree... all I wanted to do was create a warmage (or battlemage) hero!
Heavy armor, a big hammer and magic.
I just want to shout "HAMMERTIME" whenever he appeared

One thing we should add, the option to chance skin colour, so that the're not only white heroes.
(Please, do not take this as a black knight pun kay!?)

[Anri1]

No offence but neither me nor you EMP have ever seen black-skined dunadain, gondorian, elf, dwarf, rohhirim. The only race the skin-change could be ok is some race from the east or south.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Yeah, okay you're right.
But don't you think it's weird that while there are deserts in Harad, all the easterlings are white skinned.
It's like that Dune movie, white Fremen?????????

[Anri1]

Yea, I'd like to see dark-skinned people from Harad too, I think thats nice.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Yeah, but why aren't they dark skinned in the movies!?
I mean it's so innapropriate... like dude, they live in the middle of the desert!?

Perhaps I should post this at the Mote forum... maybe I should...

[Excuse_me_princess]

Violate the Tolkien Alignment Policy (have elves in Mordor or Goblins in Gondor) ??? How the F@#% is that a good idea????

It is my understanding that Orcs somehow evolved from elves who let themselves in with dark powers... so...

[Devon]

No. Just no.

[{IRS}Athos]

Orcs are a race of their own. There are female orcs.

...don't think about that late at night.

Edited by ithilienranger732, 13 June 2009 - 10:35 PM.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Orcs are a race of their own. There are female orcs.

...don't think about that late at night.

Don't worry ithilienranger732 nobody will 34 orcs (I hope)

In other news, in the movies, Saruman told one of his underlings that Orcs actually once were elves who meddled with dark arts.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost 100% positive of this.

[Uruk King]

Not elves who meddled in dark arts, but who were captured by the dark powers, the first of Morgoth's servants, corrupted maiar spirits. The captive elves were tortured and mutilated until they were a ruined and terrible form of life far from their original form and filled with Morgoth's malice and hatred for all things, until they multiplied into vast armies and became the footsoldiers of Morgoth's army.

Edit: But that's only one theory behind the origin of orcs, there are others if anyone cares to find them.

Edited by Uruk King, 14 June 2009 - 05:45 AM.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Not elves who meddled in dark arts, but who were captured by the dark powers, the first of Morgoth's servants, corrupted maiar spirits. The captive elves were tortured and mutilated until they were a ruined and terrible form of life far from their original form and filled with Morgoth's malice and hatred for all things, until they multiplied into vast armies and became the footsoldiers of Morgoth's army.

Edit: But that's only one theory behind the origin of orcs, there are others if anyone cares to find them.

Then how can orcs and uruks spawn from pits, are those comparable to cloning vats (artificial mechanical wombs) or axlotl tanks (artificial bio organic wombs)

[{IRS}Athos]

Artistic interpretation.

[Excuse_me_princess]

Then in how far are the movies canon?
You can see how a Uruk is spawned from a pit.
And about the books well...

Note that I only have the dutch version of Lord of the rings and you probably know how far as translations go.
And if you don't, they change some things... they even change names.
For example in dutch, "the Lord of the rings" is called as "In de ban van de ring" which (if translated back to English) means something as "Under the spell of the ring" or simply "Captivated by the ring" while if literally translated it should something as "De heer van de ringen"
My main point being that through translation, certain aspects of the story maybe different due to misinterpretation (main cause of the crapification of the dutch version of Dune) or changed for the benefit of readability.
So my understanding of lore is based on the movies and what I've read in my copies of the book, it may be a tad of the general path sometimes, but I try to manage.




(Yeah, my 100th post)

Edited by Excuse_me_princess, 14 June 2009 - 11:18 PM.

[Vithar-133]

The men from Harad were dark-skinned in the movie, they also mainly rode the Mumakil. The Easterlings weren't exactly white-skinned either. They were "sallow-skinned", which is similar to the skin-colour of the Southeast Asian (Japan, China, Korea, ect.) peoples.