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[Andre27]

Nice. Have to think of a timeline where France actually stays an active member of the allies.

Or how about the German attack takes place in 1941 and is halted in the Ardennes because France and GB got 1 more year to rearm.

[Major_Gilbear]

But would both three factions win, or would Hitler go for sole world domination ?

Since we can only have two campaigns, I think all three Axis would win in theirs

[Tanks R us]

and Canada kicking a fighting the whole way down (really when faced with invasion what else would we do?) But once montreal would be taken all you'd need to take is 4 more cities:
-Vancouver (Millitary training camps)
-Ottawa (Government HQ)
-Kelowna and Vernon (millitary training and millitary factories)
-St. Johns (it'd be funnie to see us newfoundlanders fight at home)
-Regina (RCMP and millitary training)

Once those would be taken theres nothing canada could do... it's funny because Kelowna and vernon are so small but if left un captured would come back to bite the nazis in the ass. They have a large armoured division base out of there and During WW II 3/4 or that devision was still kept at the base.

[Andre27]

How about a German invasion of Greenland with them establishiing a Naval Base there. Pretty interesting for the Battle of the Atlantic.

[steunwiel]

1)Bastogne was captured by the Germans.
2)The attack on Arnhem worked
3)Stalingrad was conquererd
4)Hitler would attack Moscow not Kursk
5)The Bismarck end the Tirpizt were not sunkt by Britons
6)The schip Graf Spee would get the time he needed to repair
7)D-Day was known by Hitler end sended al his troops there
8)The russians kicked some as in Leninggrad :Fire: :destroying al the Germans end then go free Moscow
voila these are the first idees
steunwiel

[raminator]

hey...have an idea to make it more funny =)
after germany conquered whole europe and made peace with uk, germany supports revolutinoist in the former confederation...usa has to retire from the war and face a second civilwar (Yankees suported by Russia and the Rednecks by Germany)
Russia takes Japan and gets back Alaska for their Support
canada and the UK feel thretend by this act and capture Alaska
Russian navy attacks now Britain...which get defetated by german navy
Australian and Canadian forces attack the Sowjets in Japan and Capture it
the remaining Japan Military Joins the Commonwealth and attacks russia
in 2nd Civilwar now 1948 the first a-bombs will be droped in Texas
most german support gets destroyed... the yanks capture the south
the us find some secret german tanks in texas and use this technology to benefit their tanks
now in 1952 hitler dies and captured Europe gets an union (UEC) "Union of European Countries"
UEC sings peace contracts with Russia and the USA
but theirs still war between UK and Russia
1960 war ends after USA and UEC force UK and Russia to lay down waepons


ok this maybe not what you wanted but i got bored =)

[DaEm0NuL]

So after the intial succes in Russia the us campign can start by the armageddon of New York .

[Andre27]

Back to the alternative timelines. Germany finds out the security for the battle of Kursk was compromized and decides to abort the attack.
In a stroke of sanity Hitler listens to his generals and shortens the frontline in Russia, while establisching a strong defensive position in the east.

As a result the war is prolonged and new German weapons become available.
Dday, after initial succes draws to a stalemate and faced with another trench-war an attempt at Hitlers life is made. This time succesfull (Hitler is killed)

Germany surrenders to the Allied forces, but Russia refuses to sign a peace treaty.
New situation: Germany withdraws from the occupied countries and forms an anti-communist alliance against Russia (remember Churchill never liked Josef Stalin)

Uncertain on how this would affect the pacific campaign though, perhaps a Soviet/Japanese alliance?

[raminator]

soviet/japanese alliance?
i doubt this
perhaps russia uses the concentration of us-pacific-fleet on Japan and attacks US/Canada via the Behringstreet
this would bring the us into trouble...they have to defend themself on land...
japan could take the whole pacific now, if US concentrates on defending against Russia
Japan should get some plans for german prototypes by some hitlerloyal generals or scientists

otherwhise with the Soviet/Japanese alliance you play now Red Alert
wpould be fun though

[raminator]

taking england would cause a concentration of th allies in africa...the y could conquer german parts in africa an invade easteurope via arabian countries
this would create a massive easternfront
germany needs then nearly all troops and tanks in the east
this would give allies the possibility fo D-Day (first england and then normandy)

[Mig Eater]

An invasion of Britain in 1940/41 would have only had a 1 in 100 chance of working (even if the RAF had been beaten) the royal navy would have wiped the invasion fleet out! That’s why I want to add the invasion of Britain in 1946/47 for the German campaign, after the USSR has fallen & D-day failed. Then the Germans can use their new jet fighters take out the RAF & the new jet bombers with anti-ship missiles to sink the RN at scapa flow!

[Andre27]

soviet/japanese alliance?
i doubt this

Not that unlikely.
Ever heard of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
besides you should also consider that Japan and the USSR weren't at war with each other. The USSR only declared war on Japan somewhere in 1945.

Also Churchill never liked the USSR and Stalin never trusted the western allies. JS even held back the soviet offensives which should have been launched same time as dday (Normandy) for several weeks.

[Major_Gilbear]

Also, I'd like to point out that although it was in a limited way, the Russians, Germans and Americans all helped Japan in their tank designs at the start of WW2...

A Soviet/Japanese alliance isn't that unlikely.



But I have a question; isn't the purpose of this thread for the Axis? The Allies and Soviets won.
If the 'winners' and 'losers' ally, then it makes for a pretty short and boring game; avoiding exactly this is the point of the alternate timeline!

I don't think the alliances should be different from WW2. That is to say, the Axis can only count on each other for help in their campaigns.

To this end, even small things can make a difference;

=Germany keeps bombing the UK, and also wins the Battle of Britain.
=Germany presses home its advantage at Kursk.
=The Battle of the Bulge is a success.
=German forces don't make a beeline for Stalingrad, and instead Hitler listens to his Generals...


So far, I haven't heard much for Italy or for Japan...

Some (limited) possibilities:

=Italians develop better armour, and manage to hold on to Africa prior to German arrival.
=Italian success in Africa means they then move to push out the Allies. (They might get some German help for this?)
=With the African continent to draw resources from, Italians now join the Eastern and Western Fronts in greater force. Better resources and experience allow futher technological developments to thier equipment.


=Japan's campaign to the West is a greater success, and the whole of China falls to them, adding to its resources.
=Japan catches ALL the ships at Pearl Harbor. This delays retaliation, and allows Japan to build its forces.
=The extra time and resources gained allow the Japanese to see the success of the Tank in Europe. Realising they need to hold on to China, Japan begins developing its own armour in greater earnest, in order to repel the coming Allied retaliation.
=Japan is successful in repelling invasion forces, and holds on to its territory.
=Japan now has to face America, and possibly learns of the Bomb?



Anyway, some ideas, as I said. I think refighting actual battles that were a close-run thing, but winning this time around might be fun for the Axis. It also grounds the alternative campaigns, and makes them sit closer to what actually happened.

[Andre27]

Test 1,2,3

Ok. Now that the topic is visible again.
Post your ideas on alternate WW2 timelines. However try to keep it plausible.

When an event is altered (e.g. battle for Guadacanal) also try to validate which impact it would have on the cause of the war. Unit development, casualties, alternative strategies in that particular theather of war etc.
In short we expect you to think your alternatives through.

I'm giving this topic one more chance.
However if this topic get's spammed like the last time, this means the end of public imput on the dday campaigns.

[Major_Gilbear]

Why are we looking at Soviet and Allied Timelines?

THEY WON!

The whole point of the alternate Timeline is to allow the Axis to win :|

So posting stuff about Stalin and Russia is kinda pointless since it won't make the mod.



Sorry, but somebody had to say it :roll:

[raminator]

just make it like in "Vaterland"
Germany conquers Europe
Peace with US
still war with Russia

[Andre27]

Why are we looking at Soviet and Allied Timelines?

THEY WON!

The whole point of the alternate Timeline is to allow the Axis to win :|

So posting stuff about Stalin and Russia is kinda pointless since it won't make the mod.


Sorry, but somebody had to say it :roll:

Tell me that you never wondered about what would have happened if dday failed or what would have happened if the Japanese won the battle for Midway.

However, alternate timelines for Italy, Germany and Japan are the most interesting.

[Mig Eater]

Don't close it! I want to post some of my ideas

The Italians & Germans successfully invade Egypt & repel the invasion of West Africa by the allies, thus cutting Britain off from India & the pacific

Axis forces are successful in capturing Moscow, Stalingrad & Leningrad. The Russians have one last gamble & throw everything into retaking Moscow, which is easily done but soon after the Russians are trapped in a pincer move that encircles Moscow & the main Russian army. Then the pocket is slowly squeezed & the Russians are mainly defeated. What's left of the Red army goes on the defensive & waits for the western allies to come to there aid.

D-day is postponed a week dew to bad weather (nearly did happen), in which time Hitler learns of the plans to invade Normandy & moves reinforcements in to place. The weather clears a week later & D-day is launched, but 24 hours after it cleared one of the worst storms on record hits the channel & sinks many ships with supplies & reinforcements on. (It really did happen).

Mean while the RAF & USAF still rule the skies above Europe, but because of the failure of D-day & the Russians going into a defensive stance, tank production is eased off & resources consecrated more on new jet fighters. Soon the tide turns & bomber casualties are too much for the Allies to continue it's bombing raids.

With the Russians mainly beaten & forced in to a gorilla war, the Germans turn their attention to Britain. The second battle of Britain begins with attacks of RAF airfields on the south-east cost & mainland with devastating effect. After three months of bombing the RAF was on its knees & what planes were left were moved out of range of German bombers to be saved for the invasion. Now that the RAF was out of the way plans to take out the Royal Navy were put into place with an air strike on Scapa Flow with anti-ship missiles

More later, I have bean typing for about an hour...

[Andre27]

Nothing here what we cannot discuss in the staff section. I'll leave it open for now, get rid of the latest nonsense posts and see what happens.

[Major_Gilbear]

Tell me that you never wondered about what would have happened if dday failed or what would have happened if the Japanese won the battle for Midway.

Of course. But those are Axis Timelines.

Altering an important event, even in the tiniest way, or allowing a defeat to become a victory where it nearly was, allows the Axis campaigns to 'succeed'. And for the Axis campaigns, that's fine.

But campaigns where Allies/Soviets do differenetly than historically, so as to affect the Allied/Soviet campains, is stupid.

Hope that is clearer.