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[Andre27]

Nothing wrong with a good debate

Besides if we're going to make "Operation Sealion"into a mission we can must have covered all the angles. :oops:

[Mig Eater]

Sure there will be a Operation Sealion mission, but not in 1940... I was planing for a invasion of the uk in 1946-47

[Andre27]

Now that is a whole new ballgame :o

Mighty interesting though. In 1946 jets would have been more common on both sides. The Germans would have Panthers/Tigers/KingTigers to support their landings, GB on the other hand had plenty of time to prepare strong defensive positions. New allied tanks would also be introduced, like the Centurion. Heavy Tanks would be more common on allied side like the Pershing and the Black Prince (upgraded version of the Churchill with a 17 pounder)

The German Kriegsmarine would however still be inferior to the combined British/American fleets.
It's realy a toss of the dice to say who would have won in 1946/1947.

Off course by 1946/1947 would certainly have captured some allied landingcraft and been able to duplicate those.

Overal a very interesting scenario.

[Mig Eater]

It probably would be just as fun to have the invasion in 1940, but then Britain will be knocked out & the USA probably wouldn't declare war on Germany & the rest of the missions would just be in Russia :|

Your forgetting that the Germans had some good landing craft by 1941-42, they were ordered for Sealion but took a year to get in to production

[Andre27]

Did the Germans ever attempt to do raids like the Allies did at Dieppe?

* Starts thinking of new ideas for german missions *

[Mig Eater]

Not that I know of...

[Andre27]

darn

[Andre27]

Wondering.. how would the war have progressed if it hadn't started in 1939, but in 1941.

[raminator]

aha aha aha
why are you debating on this?
it´s just a mission:
-destroy RN
-destroy AA
-capture beach
-build up a base
-destroy/capture military buildings
-destroy british army

[Andre27]

Personally i think i'd be so much more fun to drop paratroopers to capture coastal defense gun emplacements near scapa flow and use those to sink the RN

[Daeda]

Didnt feel like reading whole topic so might have been suggested allready:

Hitler does accept the plans for a A-Bomb. It is finished at the end of 1943.
Hitler trows the first bomb on manchester using tthe german missiles. After this brittan immediatley surrenders and america retreit all their european forces.

the plans for the a-bomb however are destroyed by the same scientist who created this once he heard about the massive destruction. germany looses their abilaty to make A-Bombs. but they have conquered britain.

All forces in Italy also retreit, meaning peace can be restored in Italy. After this all german forces can counter the russian assault. the german forcesmanage to win and can now reach moscow and the kremlin. Stalin gets executed and russia is now Axis. After this combined russian and german troops get transported to china, where the japanese army is loosing from the american power. the troops arive and a massive passific battle is started. A non-stop transport on both sides makes the biggest battle ever seen. germany however turns around the idea of DDay. they launch a naval assault via england on the eastcoast. german and old british aircrft carriers (and better planes.. also combined) bomb both washington and New york, wich are badly defenced. Its 1945 however and the americans launch their A-Bomb via planes on the occupied parts of china, causing major casualities.

A lot of american troops can retreit, but the Axis conquer washington allready and burn the white house/ a last attack from the west coast causes a big final Fight in (call a ciy) But German artillery succeeds and the last troops are down. the american president (the vice president of johnson i guess) surrenders and Axis rule above all nations

[Andre27]

Seems a little farfetched

[Daeda]

Well, Hiler was about to research abombs. he was just to stupid to continue

[Andre27]

Germany was researching Nuclear Power, not Nuclear Bombs. In fact the german scientists never considered the possibility of using Nuclear power as a weapon.

Add to that the fact that nearly the entire German supply of heavy water was lost by combined actions of british commando's and Norwegian Resistance and you're looking at the fact that by 1945 Germany was about 5-10 years away from developing a nuclear device. You suggested 1943 :oops:

[Daeda]

Ok.. maybe not so good.. just thinking out something

[Andre27]

That's a good thing, but we're trying to keep possible missions plausible.

[Andre27]

I'm proposing a different outcome of the Battle of Kursk.

In reality the Soviets knew about the German plans for Kursk, down to the time it should start. In this alternate timeline a soviet plane is shot down and after inspecting the wreckage German Intel finds copies of the German plans for Kursk.

Determined to push the Soviets back Hitler's generals come up with a ingenious plan. They pretend to let the buildup continue, but in fact most of the equipment are decoys.

However 24 hours before the original battle for Kursk was to begin Germany starts a combined arty/arial bombardment of the Area with Nerve Gas, destroying the soviet armies there. At the same time the German armor punches through the soviet line in the South, this time taking Stalingrad and cutting off the Soviet oilfields before establishing a strong defensive position.

Suddenly the USSR finds the tables turned, a large portion of it's armor destroyed or captured virtually intact with just it's crew killed, it's oil supply cut off and it's frontline seriously damaged.

Hitler, still admiring Great Britain and willing to bargain a seperate cease fire, orders German forces not to use the chemical weapons against the western allies. When Stalin hears from this he is furious and accuses GB and the US of having betrayed him and breaks bonds with them.

By losing the supplies from the Artic Convoys, the Soviets find themselves forced to retreat behind the Ural. The USSR signs a peace treaty with Hitler Germany in March 1944
Germany gets it's time to breath and develop it's new powerfull V-weapons.

How this would affect the war for the western allies is still open for debate off course.

[DaEm0NuL]

Yes that could kind of REAL fact but if the german use chem wepons why shouldn't the russians do the same ?

[Andre27]

For one, the Russians didn't have nerve gas in the 1940's.

And the Germans were well protected against more conventional types of poison gas (e.g. chlorine or blistering agents.)

[8doczzz1]

are you implying that Russian courage alone could not withstand nerve gas?

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then again, i doubt that the Germans would ever use gas that extensively...