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#21 Dant

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:46 AM

Well i'm fine and nothing against him, If he going to belch(like in movies)..i will be very pleased. :xcahik_:
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:54 AM

Well i'm fine and nothing against him, If he going to belch(like in movies)..i will be very pleased. :xcahik_:


That would be funny. The eve of battle and all is quiet ---except for a loud belch. :p
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 01:38 AM

So sense the good sides peter jackson isnt up there, i guess hes not going to be apart of the next beta?


He's listed in Mordor? :xcahik_:


Well they considered about him(Rohan cameo) but how would you name his "Rohan Cameo".


Lol, a "cameo" is an expression. Usually it refers to a "cameo role", like when a director suddenly appears in his/her own movie production. Alfred Hitchcock, for instance, often did those things. :p

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 01:55 AM

However: If we do that, we could solve the Ring system more easily though... and use Frodo and Sam as "Ring Heroes" only, traveling from the fortress that captures the ring, across the map, and if they make it off screen without being "killed"/captured, the bad guys will die in XX minutes when they reach Mount Doom. (And if not, the Ring is once again up for grabs when Frodo drops it). Gosh, that would be cool... :xcahik_:


Lol... this is kind of like one of my random ideas I came up with. :p When you take the Ring to a good faction fortress, you can buy Frodo and Sam. Sam would be mostly a support character while Frodo would have the Ring. If you get Frodo to reach the enemy fortress, the entire enemy base blows up. In terms of a coding standpoint, this should be completely possible.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 06:54 AM

if you want more evil men heroes, aside from adding corsair heroes, you could also add the blue wizards. the voice could be the wizard cah voice, since it sounds like they are neither pure good nor pure evil.... muahahaha. they could have cah powers like leadership, convert enemy, dissent (mouth of sauron power), with the theme of corruption or gaining influence, as well as "basic" wizard powers like lightning, fireball, wizard blast.

the rhun faction hero list would look like this then (in order of early to mid to late game):

Hasharin hero (can climb walls, assassin power, disguise, etc)
Corsair Bosun (the guys who talks to Aragorn)
Mahud Chieftain
Uldor (Khand)
Suladan
Lorgan (Easterling king)

i think uldor and lorgan are the names of first age easterlings, which are different from third age easterlings. for more third age-based easterling names, or if you need middle-earth names of any sort, go here (it includes some first age names, but some others sound more exotic and rhun-like): http://www.darkshire...rings/names.pdf

also, when rohan and gondor split in 4.8, gondor will only have 4 heroes. i'm thinking that denethor (powers include vision of the palantir, leadership, and dropping oil/lighting fire) and beregond (leadership, blade master, resistance to fear). if the knights of dol amroth are included in 4.8 (then gondor will have added cavalry) then imrahil should be added as well (leadership to dol amroth knights, speed power, heroic charge)

gondor's heroes would look like this then:

Pippin
Denethor
Beregond
Faramir
Boromir
Imrahil
Aragorn
Gandalf

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 10:14 AM

Having "Beregond" as gondor heroes, I will be very pleased. ^_^

As for Rohan, My suggestion is

Haleth Son of Hama(Although his role in movies wasn't important, But he is movies character)

Théodred Son of King Theoden(Like above he have few role, But he appear in movies)
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 10:17 AM

Good post, I'll consider some things ^ =)

Lol... this is kind of like one of my random ideas I came up with. ;) When you take the Ring to a good faction fortress, you can buy Frodo and Sam. Sam would be mostly a support character while Frodo would have the Ring. If you get Frodo to reach the enemy fortress, the entire enemy base blows up. In terms of a coding standpoint, this should be completely possible.


Good ideas are often shared by good men, hehe ^_^

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:34 PM

for rohan, if you add in merry, gamling, and hama, that should be fine, as long as gamling and hama have something unique. theodred would be good too, since he was a big figure in the battle of the fords of isen. if you need yet another rohan hero, theres some stuff about erkenbrand, elfhelm, and grimbold in the books, as well as unfinished tales.
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:41 PM

if you need yet another rohan hero, theres some stuff about erkenbrand, elfhelm, and grimbold in the books, as well as unfinished tales.


Hmmm it books character, So i guess it's less chance we will see they all in SEE. However i would pick "Erkenbrand","Elfhelm" since atleast they have small role and it character you shouldn't miss.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:10 PM

I agree on the Pippin in Gondor and Merry in Rohan thing, but that would mean we'd lose the hobbits together and more importantly we'd never see the cool mounting on Treeberd =p I'm not saying I don't like the idea, I just gave a lot of effort once to get them up there and I'd hate to lose that ability =/

However: If we do that, we could solve the Ring system more easily though... and use Frodo and Sam as "Ring Heroes" only, traveling from the fortress that captures the ring, across the map, and if they make it off screen without being "killed"/captured, the bad guys will die in XX minutes when they reach Mount Doom. (And if not, the Ring is once again up for grabs when Frodo drops it). Gosh, that would be cool... ^_^



Ah, I forgot about the Treebeard thing... Now I want the hobbits back in the elves faction... ;)

Anyway, some good ideas in this thread... :)
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:20 AM

*moved all posts on Ring Heroes to Ring Hero topic*

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 07:22 PM

Check Screen Shot topic for in game screen of Thorin =)

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:18 PM

Excellent work. I have knowledge:

> With Beorn would also come Radagast due to their living in the same chunk of land (northwest Mirkwood & Carrock)

> Despite their not fighting any battles with them, Alatar and Pallando are responsible for adding magical cults to the Men of the East's ranks before the era of the WotR, and
this advantage over Men of the West lasted long after the end of "the WotR" era.

> Brand had a son named Bard the way Dain had a son named Thorin.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:23 PM

we don't want tooo many heroes though... not every named character from the books has to become a hero, like in rj. i agree about the blue wizards to rhun, but radagast doesn't fit with the dwarves. i would rather him go to elves, or even rohan after they split in 4.8

radagast loved animals, which would place him with elves mainly... but rohan makes sense as they have a similar relationship with their horses. dwarves don't care much for birds and beasts, and prefer stone and metal....

the only way i could see radagast in the dwarves faction is as a friend of a friend (he befriended the beornings)
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:48 PM

If only Nazgul when he started this mod so many years ago would have followed the book instead of the movie. Then there would be no rules what to include and we could have so much more in it, and no peter jackson made up creatures like lurtz for example.

Anyway...

radagast loved animals, which would place him with elves mainly... but rohan makes sense as they have a similar relationship with their horses. dwarves don't care much for birds and beasts, and prefer stone and metal....

There are many facinating and powerful characters that doesn't do any fighting in the books or in the movies. Bombadil, Radagast and others. <sarcasm>You should make a new faction for all the uber cool powerful creatures and characters that don't give a shit</sarcasm>

the only way i could see radagast in the dwarves faction is as a friend of a friend (he befriended the beornings)

Imo he doesn't belong anywhere, but if he would be included in the mod. I think the elves would suit him the most. Even though they have many heroes already :thumbsdownsmiley:

I think, and this is my personal opinion. That you could split the elfes into lorien and rivendell. Just like with Rohan and Gondor. Think about it, you would have.

-Lorien
-Rivendell
-Rohan
-Gondor
-Erebor

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-Mordor
-Rhun
-Moria
-Isengard
-Harad

Of course it would be more work having 10 factions! But oh it would be a epic mod. The heroes in the elf team you could just split and place Elrond and all the rivendell elves in rivendell. And place galadriel and her kind in Lorien. Some buildings would have to be tweaked or maybe retextured. And stats would have to be changed. The problem is with Harad and Rhun, you would have to create a lot of more content and units/Heroes.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 11:38 PM

This mod is already WAY too big, and FAR beyond what I ever wanted... Lets see if we can finish the next beta before we venture too far... Mods often die cause they grow too big

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 02:11 AM

Nah, Mirkwood and Lorien. Rivendell didn't even officially fight in the war at all. That was just for the BFME2 campaign. Mirkwood and Lorien with Rivendell as a bonus for either, or something.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:53 AM

Nah, Mirkwood and Lorien. Rivendell didn't even officially fight in the war at all. That was just for the BFME2 campaign. Mirkwood and Lorien with Rivendell as a bonus for either, or something.


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Posted 23 October 2009 - 01:42 PM


The Brothers Elladan & Elrohir of Rivendell went with The Grey Company on the Paths of the Dead, and fought in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields; at the Battle of the Morannon the brothers fought in the front line with the Rangers and the Knights of Dol Amroth. :thumbsdownsmiley:


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Posted 23 October 2009 - 03:17 PM

@Dant: Yeah, tolkien gateway isn't loading atm. I'll check it out later.

Yeah, Namo, a few heroes from Rivendell had a place (Glorfindel or Arwen in the movie, Elladan and Elrohir in the books later), but that doesn't mean Rivendel had more input in the war than Mirkwood.
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