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#141 Darkstorm

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:05 AM

Almost Perfect Yuri's Revenge refers to the plot of version 1.0; the storyline for 3.0 is essentially a remake of all of Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. There is absolutely no reason to make the game like Yuri's Revenge.

Also, more units makes the game worse if they don't have a purpose in the game.

In response to the Rhino Tank, I looked into it and, not too surprisingly, the Qilin Tank is actually the strongest by HP and weapon power. So I propose that the website needs a change. It should be noted that the Rhino can go one-on-one with all MBTs used by the Allies and Epsilon or something. And since Tank Drop is just another support power along side the other subfactions, I propose that you give the Rhino fragmentation shells that have a small area of effect.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:19 AM

I think the better is Mental Omega is still ALMOST PERFECT YURI'S REVENGE.
Im not suggest to revert it into YR. My point is to become a most game in third world war.


Like i said, more units more fun!

 

 

Not revert it into YR?  But you kept INSISTING that unit names and cameos and such be like the one in YR?  Don't be an ignorant twit Kivz.  Not to be a language-Nazi, but your English is horrid.

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#143 Eternity 6

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:48 AM

Do you plan to release the nest revision this quarter or next quarter ?



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 06:50 AM

Rhino should have a special trait like the other MBTs. Bulldog has flashbang shells, jaguar has pilot survival, Cavalier warmup firing, qilin has emp resistance and nuclear speed boost, etc.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:55 AM

I suggest that Latin Confederation has a anti-air defense weapon such as Flak Cannon from YR that I named "Artillery Cannon" that cheaper than Flak Cannon.LC has a anti-air vehicle such as flak track from YR that I named "Artillery Track" that has a speed more than Halftrack and Tsivil but lesser power. Artillery Track's weapon are 12.7mm DsHK and 23mm Artillery Cannon (x1 of course). It has light armor. and it can transport maximum of 5 infantries.

Sea Scorpion that I named "Artillery Boat" or "Hydrofoil" that has more speed than Seawolf but lesser power. It has a weapon 57mm Cannon and 23mm Artillery Cannon. It has the same armor of Seawolf.

Unless your artillery track replaces the borilo in some way,5 transports are mostly t2.

Also i dont think the artillery term is what you think.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:02 AM

Technically flak weapons are just fancy artillery pieces pointed at the sky, but yes, the term artillery doesn't usually imply anti-aircraft.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

Is there any plans to add more IFV combos in the nest release ?

The bug when Rhan kill a brute and make another brute is going to be removed right ?

 

Edit : how many missions do you plan to add ?


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:48 PM

As I understand, Ares has yet to implement more than the default amount of IFV combos, just enabled more than 1 IFV. So that's unlikely unless they strip an existing combo.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:04 PM

The bug when Rhan kill a brute and make another brute is going to be removed right?

This is a bug? (i think you can figure out the answer :p )
 

In response to the Rhino Tank, I looked into it and, not too surprisingly, the Qilin Tank is actually the strongest by HP and weapon power.

What does "strongest" mean? I consider Mantises to be strong for what i need them when i play as SC, but just look at their armor.
Qilin? So what if it has the most hp and firepower, if they take forever to get to enemy base. I'd rather build Rhinos, they're faster, while still being well armed and armored. I can do much more and get better map control with a Rhino than with a Qilin, that's their strength.

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#150 Petya

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:16 PM

I consider the Epsilon tanks the strongest, because they can destroy your base before noticing it. :p



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

As a rulesmo.ini geek, I will use Strength= to define "strongest". Essentially, the higher the HP, the 'stronger' you are. That's also what Darkstorm meant (he even defined the attributes he used).

"Most useful" would be closer to what mevitar or Petya mean. :p

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:39 PM

Siege Cadre weapons should get a buff to structure attacks maybe 10%-15% and the GGI weapon have a reduced damage output on structures by 10%-15%. Just that in multiplayer the Cadre doesn't see enough use and utility than that GGI. Also GGIs + BF (even without a BF, large numbers of GGIs can raze defenses and bases easily) can steam roll defenses surprisingly combat effective and cost effective.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:43 PM

"Siege Cadre weapons should get a buff to structure attacks maybe 10%-15%"
Why? He is already doing a massacre to buildings - he needs few shots to take out a basic defense building.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 03:25 PM

Siege Cadre has rather good range, very good for a T2 infantry. It's damage to structures are also good. Furthermore they are immune to dog bite. 6 of them can destroy buildings in the blink of the eye.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:50 PM

I suggest that Latin Confederation has a anti-air defense weapon such as Flak Cannon from YR that I named "Artillery Cannon" that cheaper than Flak Cannon.LC has a anti-air vehicle such as flak track from YR that I named "Artillery Track" that has a speed more than Halftrack and Tsivil but lesser power. Artillery Track's weapon are 12.7mm DsHK and 23mm Artillery Cannon (x1 of course). It has light armor. and it can transport maximum of 5 infantries.

Sea Scorpion that I named "Artillery Boat" or "Hydrofoil" that has more speed than Seawolf but lesser power. It has a weapon 57mm Cannon and 23mm Artillery Cannon. It has the same armor of Seawolf.

 

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It´s like the 4th time that you are suggesting this, and you already got the answer for them. Don´t insist.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

 

I suggest that Latin Confederation has a anti-air defense weapon such as Flak Cannon from YR that I named "Artillery Cannon" that cheaper than Flak Cannon.LC has a anti-air vehicle such as flak track from YR that I named "Artillery Track" that has a speed more than Halftrack and Tsivil but lesser power. Artillery Track's weapon are 12.7mm DsHK and 23mm Artillery Cannon (x1 of course). It has light armor. and it can transport maximum of 5 infantries.

Sea Scorpion that I named "Artillery Boat" or "Hydrofoil" that has more speed than Seawolf but lesser power. It has a weapon 57mm Cannon and 23mm Artillery Cannon. It has the same armor of Seawolf.

 

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It´s like the 4th time that you are suggesting this, and you already got the answer for them. Don´t insist.

 

Actualy i think this quote was from einstain



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

 

 

I suggest that Latin Confederation has a anti-air defense weapon such as Flak Cannon from YR that I named "Artillery Cannon" that cheaper than Flak Cannon.LC has a anti-air vehicle such as flak track from YR that I named "Artillery Track" that has a speed more than Halftrack and Tsivil but lesser power. Artillery Track's weapon are 12.7mm DsHK and 23mm Artillery Cannon (x1 of course). It has light armor. and it can transport maximum of 5 infantries.

Sea Scorpion that I named "Artillery Boat" or "Hydrofoil" that has more speed than Seawolf but lesser power. It has a weapon 57mm Cannon and 23mm Artillery Cannon. It has the same armor of Seawolf.

 

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It´s like the 4th time that you are suggesting this, and you already got the answer for them. Don´t insist.

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How convinient.


Edited by doctormedic, 24 May 2014 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 07:46 PM

Actualy i think this quote was from einstain

 

 

1) No shit, Sherlock.

2) It´s "Einstein".

3) Avoid double posting.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:12 PM

 

Actualy i think this quote was from einstain

 

 

1) No shit, Sherlock.

2) It´s "Einstein".

3) Avoid double posting.

 

Sorry,i forgoted to delete my previous edit



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 02:03 AM

Siege Cadre weapons should get a buff to structure attacks maybe 10%-15% and the GGI weapon have a reduced damage output on structures by 10%-15%. Just that in multiplayer the Cadre doesn't see enough use and utility than that GGI. Also GGIs + BF (even without a BF, large numbers of GGIs can raze defenses and bases easily) can steam roll defenses surprisingly combat effective and cost effective.

 

Yup, the GGI's weapon is only slightly outmatched by the Siege Cadre's in terms of damage, Siege Cadre just has the range. (but not much of it compared to other siege units)

 

"Siege Cadre weapons should get a buff to structure attacks maybe 10%-15%"
Why? He is already doing a massacre to buildings - he needs few shots to take out a basic defense building.

 

A basic defense building, what is that? A sentry turret or pillbox or gun turret (or an AA turret that can't fight back)? lol, you know what else razes those buildings? Tanks. Not much of them either, more efficient than a relatively slow Siege Cadre that might need to retreat at a moment's notice, earlier to get in game, and can cover other roles such as anti-armor and defense, whereas the Siege Cadre is designed to do only one thing, and it's not particularly good at it compared to other things.

 

 

Siege Cadre has rather good range, very good for a T2 infantry. It's damage to structures are also good. Furthermore they are immune to dog bite. 6 of them can destroy buildings in the blink of the eye.

 

They could also leave your defense wide open if you're actually silly enough to decide that's what you want to spend your cash on once you reach T2. I disagree that you call them a good T2 Infantry with good range

 

Just compare them to the Dunerider:

 

 

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  • Cost: $550
  • Speed: 9
  • Hitpoints: 100
  • Armor Class: Flak
  • Prerequisite: Epsilon Barracks, Radar Spire
  • Purpose: Anti-Infantry, Anti-Structure
  • Equipment: Toxin Grenades
  • Range: 7.5 / Area-of-effect
 
Additional Information:
  • Amphibious.
  • Heals in poison clouds.
  • Takes 2 slots in a transport.
  • Cannot be crushed by normal vehicles.
  • Can detect cloaked and submerged units (sensors range: 7).

 

Now the Siege Cadre:

 

 

Siege Cadre

  • Cost: $550
  • Speed: 7
  • Hitpoints: 115
  • Armor Class: Plate
  • Prerequisite: Allied Barracks, Air Force Command HQ
  • Purpose: Anti-Structure
  • Weapon: Comet Prism Rifle 00
  • Range: 8
Additional Information:
  • Immune to dog attacks.

 

Same price.

.5 less range

Can be crushed

Only Anti-Structure (I don't know what their damage statistics are but they probably aren't drastically different to buildings)

Isn't Amphibious

Slower

Not being able to detect Stealth units isn't really a big deal for the Siege Cadre, but it's just another thing the Dunerider has over the Siege Cadre.

 

Siege Cadre benefits:

 

A whopping 15 points more HP (Massive isn't it?)

It's immune to dog bites I guess...

 

But as you can c, for a unit that's dedicated to anti-structure it's a bit strange how much it's outdone by a fast amphibious stealth detecting AP & AS unit, I'd have thought that the Siege Cadre would be better at being anti-structure by a bit more than that, but that's just me. Or is it?


Edited by Protozoan, 25 May 2014 - 02:04 AM.

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