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[BlackAbsence]

These aren't necessarily suggestions; they're just ideas.

 

Mirage generator:

Spoiler

- A T3 defence structure for EA.

- Gives nearby units a mirage tank cloak. Meaning that they behave like mirage tanks when still, within the generation feild.

Decoy forest:

Spoiler

- A T2 support power for EA.

- Randomly places 12 fake trees in an area (Can sell fake trees) OR makes mirage tanks randomly place 1-2 trees near them.

- Intended to further help mirage tanks hide in an area.

Iron curtain change:

Spoiler

I often hear players complaing about the IC being OP, particularly when it comes to Deso+Catas.

The main reason I think it's so deadly is because retreating from it isn't always an option.

So, to make it less deadly, we could make retreating from it more of an option.

- ICed units move 33% %20 or %25 slower.

- ICed units attack with 33% (1/3) less attack power.

- ICed units stay invincible for 33% (1/3) longer (45s --> 1m).

- De-buffs are applied just before the invincibility because de-buffs cannot be applied to something invincible.

With these changes, most Infantry will still have a hard time retreating, but that's mainly why the fire-power de-buff is there... that and the time extension. 

Charon tank feature:

Spoiler

- Can be deployed to make it not auto-target, similar to the shadow tank/mirage tank deploy.

- Intended to reserve their shots for juicier targets (i.e. mastodons or battle torts), at the cost of needing micro-managment.

Virus idea:

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- Infantry shot by a virus will become infected.

- Infected infantry will become weaker (-%20 speed and -%20 attack-power) and will gradually take tiny amounts of damage forever (until they eventually die in a grotesque fashion) 

- Infected infantry can only be cured through a method of infantry healing (kinda like how it is with terror drones).

- Infantry with self healing, such as heroes/heroines, would pretty much overcome the damaging effect. 

 

Edited by BlackAbsence, 16 August 2018 - 07:14 AM.

[Handepsilon]

Idea 1 : Impossible
Idea 2 : Also impossible
Idea 3 : 33% might be too much. Also, tweaking passenger with AttachEffect is also impossible, so the deso will still fire like normal.
Idea 4 : Actually sounds good, not sure what use it'll have when the Charon buff hits though
Idea 5 : Removing specific AttachEffect could be impossible, also that would nerf the virus' lethality a bit too much. They're supposed to be able to take down heroes safely.

[BlackAbsence]

1. Yeah, I kinda figured this one would be impossible. I mostly just wanted to show off its concept.

2. Hmm... What if they weren't actual trees? They could be weaponless mirage-tank-like units with zero speed. I know this type of unit would be possible because the mirage tank is.

3. upon re-thinking this, I wouldn't want ICed terror drones to have a duration of 1m (they're terrifying enough already and attack-power de-buffs don't really apply to them, right?). I now think the duration and fire-power of ICed units should stay the same (also because of that passenger thing you mentioned). Maybe only a %20-%25 speed reduction is all that's needed? 

4. What exactly is the Charon buff? Do they just more instantly erase stuff now? Regardless of its buff, I'm sure this deploy function would still serve a purpose of not wasting shots on stuff like conscripts, especially when it all happens so fast.

Edited by BlackAbsence, 16 August 2018 - 07:36 AM.

[JackoDerp]

The problem with Iron Curtain is not the Superweapon itself, it is supposed to be strong.
The problem is how fast the units you are curtaining can move (since you highlighted Catastrophes, but Teslas are just as dumb)

Also Curtained Terrors are lame but only Foehn really has a problem with them, though I wouldn't mind if units would stop Autoacquiring stuff under the effect of Iron Curtain.
Else it just lets Terrors and stuff blindfire straight into Chimera cores and still do damage.


As for Charons, the buff fixes the problem where sometimes it didn't remove stuff, but making them not autoacquire would probably be a bad idea. Also if you're not controlling them and your opponent feeds them conscript bait? Thats on you being dumb, not the unit being bad.
And taking away Virus' ability to score kills like that would make them useless.

[Derxwna Kapsyla]

Wouldn't it technically be possible to do a reinforcement of trees by utilizing UnitDelivery? I know there was a way to drop a pseudo ore mine with it. I don't remember exactly how it was done, but the method should be similar.

[Drezalnor]

These aren't necessarily suggestions; they're just ideas.
 
Mirage generator:

Spoiler

- A T3 defence structure for EA.
- Gives nearby units a mirage tank cloak. Meaning that they behave like mirage tanks when still, within the generation feild.

Decoy forest:

Spoiler

- A T2 support power for EA.
- Randomly places 12 fake trees in an area (Can sell fake trees) OR makes mirage tanks randomly place 1-2 trees near them.
- Intended to further help mirage tanks hide in an area.

Iron curtain change:

Spoiler

I often hear players complaing about the IC being OP, particularly when it comes to Deso+Catas.
The main reason I think it's so deadly is because retreating from it isn't always an option.
So, to make it less deadly, we could make retreating from it more of an option.
- ICed units move 33% %20 or %25 slower.
- ICed units attack with 33% (1/3) less attack power.
- ICed units stay invincible for 33% (1/3) longer (45s --> 1m).
- De-buffs are applied just before the invincibility because de-buffs cannot be applied to something invincible.
With these changes, most Infantry will still have a hard time retreating, but that's mainly why the fire-power de-buff is there... that and the time extension. 

Charon tank feature:

Spoiler

- Can be deployed to make it not auto-target, similar to the shadow tank/mirage tank deploy.
- Intended to reserve their shots for juicier targets (i.e. mastodons or battle torts), at the cost of needing micro-managment.

Virus idea:

Spoiler

- Infantry shot by a virus will become infected.
- Infected infantry will become weaker (-%20 speed and -%20 attack-power) and will gradually take tiny amounts of damage forever (until they eventually die in a grotesque fashion) 
- Infected infantry can only be cured through a method of infantry healing (kinda like how it is with terror drones).
- Infantry with self healing, such as heroes/heroines, would pretty much overcome the damaging effect. 

Spoiler

Well,I've this to say-
1.I truly can't see the scope to implement this-I mean,could it even be done?
2.Forgive me for saying this,but this one honestly sounds too gimmicky.
3.Hmm...it might not be such a bad idea,if the debuffs were around 10%-15%.
4.Conceptually,this one sounds nice,but unfortunately the proposed Charon buff has sort of taken the wind out of your sails.
5.Ummm...I'm afraid this one will make Viruses kind of worthless.

[Handepsilon]

Just nitpicking, but there's no need to put spoiler for your reply there. Black Absence is just doing it to make it more organized.

[Opus Custom Tank]

Different T1 infantry for every sub-faction, sounds good.

[BotRot]

Different T1 infantry for every sub-faction, sounds good.

No offense, but this idea is already discussed frequently and while yes, it sounds good on paper, but it would cause a ton of confusion and potential balance issues. 

[Handepsilon]

It sounds unnecessary more than anything. We already have a lot of faction unique units. Adding more for the sake of more stuff is just going to add more piles of work to do.

[Opus Custom Tank]

Different T1 infantry for every sub-faction, sounds good.

No offense, but this idea is already discussed frequently and while yes, it sounds good on paper, but it would cause a ton of confusion and potential balance issues.

'potential balance issues'? They are still buffing Initiate and Knightframe.

[JackoDerp]

Unnecessary is the best way to describe it
Not worth the effort for zero difference in gameplay

[Opus Custom Tank]

Unnecessary is the best way to describe it
Not worth the effort for zero difference in gameplay

But why? Every sub-faction need there own basic infantry. Like their own basic tanks.

Edited by Opus Custom Tank, 18 August 2018 - 09:12 PM.

[StolenTech]

 

Unnecessary is the best way to describe it
Not worth the effort for zero difference in gameplay

But why? Every sub-faction need there own basic infantry. Like their own basic tanks.

no they don't.

[Divine]

>Inb4 Mental Omega goes full Generals Shockwave and every unit and half of the buildings end up being unique to their subfactions
 
I actually wouldn't mind at all.
 

 

Also, here's an idea for a new tech building and tech units. Call it the Mercenary Outpost. It would function like a barracks-type structure, and once captured it would allow hiring mercenaries. Mercenaries should come in multiple variations, anti-infantry, anti-vehicle, you name it. Mercenaries would be powerful and dirt cheap to hire, however, using a logic implemented by Ares, every kill they made would cost their owner money, a given percentage of the destroyed enemy's value. I can imagine this tech building being placed on multiplayer maps that are set in Africa or somewhere else in the third world.

Edited by Divine, 19 August 2018 - 12:58 AM.

[BlackAbsence]

here's an idea for a new tech building and tech units. Call it the Mercenary Outpost. It would function like a barracks-type structure, and once captured it would allow hiring mercenaries. Mercenaries should come in multiple variations, anti-infantry, anti-vehicle, you name it. Mercenaries would be powerful and dirt cheap to hire, however, using a logic implemented by Ares, every kill they made would cost their owner money, a given percentage of the destroyed enemy's value. I can imagine this tech building being placed on multiplayer maps that are set in Africa or somewhere else in the third world.

- Reminds me of that one tech structure in C&C3 that allows you to train mutants.

- What are all the types of mercenaries? 

- What percentage?

- What happens if/when you have no money for their kills to deduct? (Would you go into debt? Would you lose control of them? Would their kills become "free"? Would they just explode?)

- I like the concept. 

Edited by BlackAbsence, 19 August 2018 - 04:57 AM.

[GameMaster0000]

If someone do announced voice of Tempest Architecture for 3 first faction, does announce voice of main super weapon will be restored?

[BotRot]

If someone do announced voice of Tempest Architecture for 3 first faction, does announce voice of main super weapon will be restored?

I don't think anyone would accept new EVA voicelines if they aren't the original voice actors from RA2.

[Damfoos]

Bounty values are set for victims, not killers. You can't have one group of units kill stuff and get money while other group of units will drain money for killing the same units. Besides, such an army will cost you a lot, you can't make them the core of your army because that will make your pockets empty in the middle of a combat.

[Drezalnor]

>Inb4 Mental Omega goes full Generals Shockwave and every unit and half of the buildings end up being unique to their subfactions
 
I actually wouldn't mind at all.
 
 
Also, here's an idea for a new tech building and tech units. Call it the Mercenary Outpost. It would function like a barracks-type structure, and once captured it would allow hiring mercenaries. Mercenaries should come in multiple variations, anti-infantry, anti-vehicle, you name it. Mercenaries would be powerful and dirt cheap to hire, however, using a logic implemented by Ares, every kill they made would cost their owner money, a given percentage of the destroyed enemy's value. I can imagine this tech building being placed on multiplayer maps that are set in Africa or somewhere else in the third world.

The idea sounds great,but this concept of bounties on the killers-it basically kills this one in the cradle.