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[Divine]

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

[lovalmidas]

Rahn would be better of operating a Slave Miner. 

Why didn't Westwood think of Brutes as resource gatherers...

[GuardianGI]

 

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

 

With the *minor* side-effect of losing your sense of self?
Pretty sure HQ can already get rich by *reprocessing* the properties of the ones who were *trained* by Rahn?

[Divine]

 

 

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

 

With the *minor* side-effect of losing your sense of self?
Pretty sure HQ can already get rich by *reprocessing* the properties of the ones who were *trained* by Rahn?

 

This brings about an interesting question: how does Epsilon acquire its basic necessities like food, water, and shelter? When the PsiCorps deserted from Russia, I imagine they brought some supplies too, but there's no way that was enough for more than a few weeks at most. Then I assume that then they looted what they needed from civvies while still in the USSR and Europe. But what about when they operated in the Pacific? When HQ was established, I assume they started supplying the PsiCorps. But again, how does the HQ make food on the Antarctica?

Edited by Divine, 17 August 2017 - 03:19 PM.

[Solais]

They eat the penguins.

 

But seriously, I think they can probably do some sort massive fishing operation around the continent.

Edited by Solais, 17 August 2017 - 04:44 PM.

[EtherealDark]

Or they could be cannibalizing clones. Think about it; with their advanced cloning technology, they could easily mass produce clone body parts for consumption. 

Edited by EtherealDark, 17 August 2017 - 04:54 PM.

[Divine]

They eat the penguins.

 

But seriously, I think they can probably do some sort massive fishing operation around the continent.

One cannot live solely on fish...

 

Or they could be cannibalizing clones. Think about it; with their advanced cloning technology, they could easily mass produce clone body parts for consumption. 

The idea that they'd use cloning technology to produce some sort of synthetic food is not half-bad, but even then, you cannot clone from thin air. The proccess needs some sort of nutritients. And now that I think of it, Grinders accept people and animals too, not just vehicles...

[GuardianGI]

 

 

 

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

 

With the *minor* side-effect of losing your sense of self?
Pretty sure HQ can already get rich by *reprocessing* the properties of the ones who were *trained* by Rahn?

 

This brings about an interesting question: how does Epsilon acquire its basic necessities like food, water, and shelter? When the PsiCorps deserted from Russia, I imagine they brought some supplies too, but there's no way that was enough for more than a few weeks at most. Then I assume that then they looted what they needed from civvies while still in the USSR and Europe. But what about when they operated in the Pacific? When HQ was established, I assume they started supplying the PsiCorps. But again, how does the HQ make food on the Antarctica?

 

They have the manpower, so I guess they did some farming and cloning of livestock to give themselves theoretically infinite food?

[Divine]

 

 

 

 

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

 

With the *minor* side-effect of losing your sense of self?
Pretty sure HQ can already get rich by *reprocessing* the properties of the ones who were *trained* by Rahn?

 

This brings about an interesting question: how does Epsilon acquire its basic necessities like food, water, and shelter? When the PsiCorps deserted from Russia, I imagine they brought some supplies too, but there's no way that was enough for more than a few weeks at most. Then I assume that then they looted what they needed from civvies while still in the USSR and Europe. But what about when they operated in the Pacific? When HQ was established, I assume they started supplying the PsiCorps. But again, how does the HQ make food on the Antarctica?

 

They have the manpower, so I guess they did some farming and cloning of livestock to give themselves theoretically infinite food?

 

You can't clone from thin air! You need the same basic nutritients to grow something in a cloning tank that you need yourself. So you'd essentially need food to clone food. Not very effective, you see. Unless, as I said, the nutritients come straight from a grinder. Just use the minced meat and body parts you scrape off the spiked ball thingies to feed the cloning tanks. I guess the same logic was used as the reason why Cloning tanks could recycle infantry in vanilla.

Edited by Divine, 17 August 2017 - 05:42 PM.

[TeslaCruiser]

prana
They eat prana

[PACER]

I disagree. Befriending civilians is what Rahn is famous for.

Epsilon HQ should get rid of its Grinders, they could make much more money by making Rahn open some gyms. Get in, come out ripped 5 secs later. People would pay fortunes.

With the *minor* side-effect of losing your sense of self?
Pretty sure HQ can already get rich by *reprocessing* the properties of the ones who were *trained* by Rahn?

This brings about an interesting question: how does Epsilon acquire its basic necessities like food, water, and shelter? When the PsiCorps deserted from Russia, I imagine they brought some supplies too, but there's no way that was enough for more than a few weeks at most. Then I assume that then they looted what they needed from civvies while still in the USSR and Europe. But what about when they operated in the Pacific? When HQ was established, I assume they started supplying the PsiCorps. But again, how does the HQ make food on the Antarctica?

They have the manpower, so I guess they did some farming and cloning of livestock to give themselves theoretically infinite food?

You can't clone from thin air! You need the same basic nutritients to grow something in a cloning tank that you need yourself. So you'd essentially need food to clone food. Not very effective, you see. Unless, as I said, the nutritients come straight from a grinder. Just use the minced meat and body parts you scrape off the spiked ball thingies to feed the cloning tanks. I guess the same logic was used as the reason why Cloning tanks could recycle infantry in vanilla.

 
One single answer.
 
In Yuri's Revenge A2 Hollywood you can hear mind-controlled civilians talking. Sometimes they say:
 

Spoiler

       'Soylent Green'

Edited by PACER, 17 August 2017 - 06:04 PM.

[Solais]

Actually it's "Soylent Green for Yuri", or something like that.

[Divine]

Actually it's "Soylent Green for Yuri", or something like that.

So it is pretty much canon now. Grinders produce food, not just raw materials for construction.

[TheWankBank]

Lets see how many epsilon infantry need to be fed and not genetically fucked:
 

Initiates

Archers

Epsilon Adepts

Epsilon Elites

Malver

Hijacker

 

 

Yeah I think food isn't an issue...

[PACER]

Lets see how many epsilon infantry need to be fed and not genetically fucked:
 
Initiates
Archers
Epsilon Adepts
Epsilon Elites
Malver
Hijacker
 
 
Yeah I think food isn't an issue...

Driver, pilots, ship captains

It feels sad to hear Yuri's men starving while archon's drivers are enjoying wine and a feast.

[UNSC THE CHILL OF WAR]

Epsilon owns most of the planet, so i think there will 1 or 2 farms in the land they own.

Also, about HQ, the lore states that Irkalla protects Antarctica from soviet and allied invasion, but currently it is a flaming wreck in the river Thames, London fortress. Is there 2 or not?

[Gameman112358]

I imagine HQ has more; it would be quite silly if they only had one Irkalla. Alternatively, since the London Fortress has fallen, they might've salvaged the Irkalla's wreckage and rebuilt it. 

 

I am curious though on the Paradox Engine itself; that thing must require a lot of power to use, since it was already needing to be recharged by the time it reaches Cape Town. Also, that thing must be absolutely massive, since that thing holds the entire Euro Alliance army, as well as the Pacific Front as well, if Relentless is anything to go by. I'm guessing the U.S. doesn't really have much forces in the Paradox Engine (aside from the Allied Commander A.K.A. the player), since the American remnants were mostly stuck in their conquered homeland trying to fight off the Soviets and Epsilon (the U.S. really has it rough in this universe, don't they?).

 

Kinda makes the text in Relentless a little misleading, when it says "The joint forces of all Allied factions, or rather, what's left of them, begin their attack." It's only the Euro Alliance and the Pacific Front at that point, and there's one subfaction missing from this lineup... you know who. XD Shame, the U.S. subfaction units are quite fast and strong, and I was hoping to try out Battle Tortoises loaded with Riot Troopers and Guardian GIs, but oh well.

 

I will say though that Relentless has made my game crash. No joke; there was so much fighting and so much unit spam that the game literally exploded. I just got to the part where I got an MCV to build my base, only to have the game crash with a giant error message. Figured I'd point that out.

 

Regarding some of the earlier posts talking about how bad the Soviet Conscript is: I kinda think the problem is that there's no way to emulate the mechanics that made the Chinese Red Guard in C&C Generals so good to spam. Much like Conscripts, Red Guard are individually weak, but they were made in pairs, not individually. And Red Guard have the horde bonus (RoF bonus when in a group of 5 or more) to encourage you to group them up and spam. I believe they were the most spammable, cost efficient infantry out there, which in turn made it easier to get the horde bonus, making them stronger. Conscripts are made individually, and don't really have anything to encourage grouping them up and spamming them. I was thinking something like this:

Conscript:

-Cost: $80

-Trained in pairs

-Gains a damage boost when in a group of 5 or more. (From what I remember, a rate of fire buff is not possible, so a damage boost is the next best thing)

 

I'm not sure though if any of this this is possible, however. The damage boost can be done, but I'm not sure if it's possible to make it so that it specifically triggers when 5 conscripts are standing next to each other; I suspect that isn't possible. And I also suspect the training in pairs part is possible at all; I think it was mentioned in one of the threads long before that it wasn't possible to make infantry come out in pairs. Still, it is an idea to consider, in the event that Ares somehow makes it possible to emulate those mechanics (they were able to emulate the Flashbang clearing mechanic from C&C Generals, so...)

Edited by Gameman112358, 17 August 2017 - 08:42 PM.

[Janusz Olender]

Epsilon owns most of the planet, so i think there will 1 or 2 farms in the land they own.

Also, about HQ, the lore states that Irkalla protects Antarctica from soviet and allied invasion, but currently it is a flaming wreck in the river Thames, London fortress. Is there 2 or not?

Regarding the Irkalla, I am certain, that it will meet with Paradox Engine again, possibly seriously buffed. With Epsilon losing the upper hand and Allies and Soviets still pressing, he must be prepared to face real onslaught.(I wonder, if the Yunru will bring the Centurion on the Antarctica as well, if so, the Proselyte will have to show true genius.)

[Divine]

Imho the paradox VS Irkalla fight was very much anticlimatic, if not outright lame. LOL rocket barrage and Irkalla is FUBAR in a few secs. Meh.

[Janusz Olender]

Well, that's why the Irkalla should buffed for "The Babel", much like Libra was. Besides, it doesn't have to be duel, but I'm almost sure, that both of warships will appear in the final battle. I wonder though, if Comrade General will arrive there as well, or he will target Death's Hand, or maybe recapture Moscow. :V

Edited by Janusz Olender, 17 August 2017 - 09:06 PM.