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[cdmtx(YR)]

getting into anomynous area here. it could be a reference to our social side as flock animals. we usually don't last long without social connections. naturally since we are on a forum we are most likely a group where there is a majority of anti-social people(if not i would be able to average it quite above the average alone ), people might not see the connection because we're not used to thinking of it that way.

so basically he could be saying life is friends because we're not really able to truly live without social connections. dunno if its relevant to the topic at hand though...

Just State something that life means to you, or what life is (not scientifically, but what you see it at as in your own life)
I'll give another example.
Life is> school

now, can someone following my example, this is relevant

Edited by cdmtx(YR), 11 September 2006 - 04:03 AM.

[Tom]

But thats not the bigger picture. If i said Life is > University just because i'm going to uni, thats not right. My life is not about university, my life has some other meaning beyond that, maybe even beyond this world.

[MSpencer]

That has nothing to do with anything. You can't say something is relevant just by saying "This is relevant". That just makes you a raving lunatic.
And makes that little extraneous tidbit of information even more stupid.

[Comrade Kal]

Rather then giving them facts about geology and the like which they'll obviously dismiss...


So the world was created AFTER the agricultural revolution?

[cdmtx(YR)]

My life is not about university, my life has some other meaning beyond that, maybe even beyond this world.

Yes you hit the nail on the head. What is your meaning? What is our purpose? Are we only here by random chances, to randomly continue the process of evolution and the human race. Or are we here for something bigger. According to what some of you had said there is nothing beyond this world. So what is the point of living if wear only to die. Let's look at a newborn baby who has a disformed heart, who is mentally challenged and won't be able to produce offspring. What is his purpose in life?

[Pyth]

There is no "Purpose".

Life exists to do what life does best:

Eat, sleep, have babies, et cetera.

Everything just does that in a different way. Plus we humans and (f they're out there) intelligent extraterrestrials also get that nifty "technologY" and "science" part.

Basically, we're here to do what we want unil we die. if you REALLY think about it, we're all just drug addicts (Having fun produces chemicals in the brain, and I'm sure most of us like fun, however they have it.)

There is no God, and yo ucannot prove it. We are not here ofr a purpose, we are only organisms that are really smart.

Edited by Pyth, 20 September 2006 - 02:54 AM.

[MSpencer]

E-x-t-r-a-n-e-o-u-s I-n-f-o-r-m-a-t-i-o-n
E.G. OFF TOPIC.
I don't care if you say it's on topic. It's not. This is not the place for "Well my life is beyond school", or "I like life", this is a thread about atheism and "spirituality". Do not misdirect threads, make new ones.

[cdmtx(YR)]

There is no God, and you ucannot prove it. We are not here for a purpose, we are only organisms that are really smart.

Can you prove that there is no God?

[MSpencer]

Basic logical theory states that you cannot unreasonably assume something exists when there is no proof supporting it.
Also, almost fifteen hundred years of modern science has turned up absolutely no proof of any higher being. Absolutely none. We've cracked the genetic code, we can go into space, we can build lasers, and we can split the atom, but people will not admit that there is no evidence whatsoever for god.

[cdmtx(YR)]

Yes...
But you can't factually prove that there is no God. Scientists only know a small portion of this world and how works, and even a smaller portion of the universe itself. If science has done anything, they only proven that there is a God. Your smart you know how complex even the most simplest things are such as a leaf, but what about the human body and its complexity and everything else in the universe. The chances of this universe and everything in it randomly occurring through other random series of events are next to zero.

If you were to draw circle of how much you knew to be fact, then draw another circle of what is unknown and unexplained, the second circle would probably be bigger than the first one. Right?

[MSpencer]

I'll edit this post when I get to school, but:
That is the worst logic I have ever heard in my life. It is terrible. Flawed. Idiotic even. Stupid. Bad bad bad. We're not drawing any circles. Circles are geometric shapes, not graphical representations. We have explained the majority of things on the planet. The only things unexplained are the things undiscovered, and those will remain for some time in space. We've covered the broad topics in depth very heavily. Do not try to use biological diversification to prove the existence of a higher entity. All that that proves is the presence of ever changing but similar biological processes.
You can't look at the term x, and assume from that that there is a term xy which applies directly to x. What you are doing is taking a shoddy explanation by ignorant people thousands of years ago, and trying to use modern discoveries to prove it. It's ridiculous.
The modern theory of evolution doesn't leave room for a god. It leaves room for further discovery. If you want to try and use that as some sort of evidence in your argument, you have to take the entire theory full on, and that includes natural selection.
And in 4.6 billion years of the Earth being around, with about 3 billion years of life, anything is possible.
As usual, I recommend the same books for those who wish to argue with me. If you plan on using theories which you don't understand, enlighten yourself or your argument nearly instantaneously becomes null and void.

[cdmtx(YR)]

As usual, I recommend the same books for those who wish to argue with me. If you plan on using theories which you don't understand, enlighten yourself or your argument nearly instantaneously becomes null and void.

Ok, I would like to propose something. I will gladly read your books just give me the titles. But on the other hand, I ask you to get a Bible NIV (new international version) or King James version if you like old English. Then I ask you to read Genes, which is the first book of the Bible, then read John. But now the big part before you read say "If there is a God show yourself to me in this book." Do that before you read every time. When you get to John only read 10 versus a day until you're done with the book. Just don't speed read through it, look at it and think about what is saying. If anything do this to better understand your enemies.

I read your books you read parts of my book. Do we have a deal?

[MSpencer]

Fine, but I'll use the online version. If there is a higher being I'm sure it can communicate electronically. If it can't, its chances of being extra-worldly and the 3 omni's are extremely low.
I've suggested about six or seven books, you can find some titles earlier in the thread. They can be a bit pricey, but if you just buy the new abridged version of The Origin of Species you won't get the entire theme. There is this really great book out there that gets into the molecular aspect of it.

[cdmtx(YR)]

Ok good!
Ill look into the books.

[Tom]

My life is not about university, my life has some other meaning beyond that, maybe even beyond this world.

Yes you hit the nail on the head. What is your meaning? What is our purpose? Are we only here by random chances, to randomly continue the process of evolution and the human race. Or are we here for something bigger. According to what some of you had said there is nothing beyond this world. So what is the point of living if wear only to die. Let's look at a newborn baby who has a disformed heart, who is mentally challenged and won't be able to produce offspring. What is his purpose in life?

That made sense to me in a way, of course i wouldn't be able to explain it to most on here but you are asking questions that have a meaning. Still ignoring the end sentence, no idea. If i/we knew everything i'm sure there would be no need for us to be here.

E-x-t-r-a-n-e-o-u-s I-n-f-o-r-m-a-t-i-o-n
E.G. OFF TOPIC.
I don't care if you say it's on topic. It's not. This is not the place for "Well my life is beyond school", or "I like life", this is a thread about atheism and "spirituality". Do not misdirect threads, make new ones.

Topics do evolve, you know this. You cannot talk about one subject forever, just let it go as it goes and stop being so controlling just because it seems ridiculous to you. I'm trying to find out what he means because it could lead into a more interesting subject couldn't it?

Can you prove that there is no God?

Neither is there any physical proof to prove God does exist. Its all down to faith and yourself to find creation. Thats my belief, beliefs can be argued by it usually never leads anywhere.

Basic logical theory states that you cannot unreasonably assume something exists when there is no proof supporting it.

Of course but basic logical theory is based on one what we already know. Because our world is based on perceptions we cannot see beyond that perception. A 3-dimensional existence or drawing would not be 4-Dimensional therefore it could not see that existence. Lets make an example, it might seem ridiculous but it does make sense if you actually listen to it rather than scoff it off. Lets just IMAGINE that if a 2-dimensional shape was conscious it would not be able to witness a third dimension because it does not exist to that. It would be the same for us in a 3-dimensional world trying to witness the 4th dimension. Its an argument, whether it sounds ridiculous it also has some knowledgable truth, whether or not you can understand it.

[Calamity_Jones]

O_o

We exist in a three dimensional world, yet we can understand other dimensions through such facets as mathematics and physics. We don't have to exist in other dimensions to understand them...

[duke_Qa]

the problem with the 4th dimension is that its kinda hard to imagine how creatures would be connected in it. XYZ is pretty easy for us to understand as its always there, but time is something that moves along in a different train of thought.

what special abilities would a creature which exists in a higher dimension have? thats probably the summary of what i'm wondering about here

[Calamity_Jones]

it couldn't possibly exist though, if a creature had the capacity to move through time, it would cause paradoxes.
Not only that, but how would something without the intellect to comprehend the passage of time be able to navigate time. It wouldn't.

Besides... evolution is a process that occurs over time, if the creatures can travel through time then they can travel through their own evolutionary cycle, un-evolving the capacity to move through time...

argh.. my head hurts

[duke_Qa]

well that is true enough if there is a hierarchy connecting the dimensions in series. but what if there are multiple dimensions connected to our 3 basic ones that are also under time(4th)?

but its quite possible that there is some creature out there that is able to work in time aswell. if it only had access to manipulating its own timeline, it would basically know everything it knows when it dies when it is born. its not like it would create paradoxes as its life is pretty much destined to go one way.

it would be more interesting if they could manipulate time ofcourse, but that would require more dimensions again after what i know on the topic. im no quantum physics expert though.

[cdmtx(YR)]

O_o

We exist in a three dimensional world, yet we can understand other dimensions through such facets as mathematics and physics. We don't have to exist in other dimensions to understand them...

Do we truly understand a so-called fourth dimension or do we just know about it? There is a big difference between knowing about it and understanding. What suggests to you the there is another dimension?