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[Ubermedic]

Please Note:
WHENEVER I SAID HERO VEHICLE I DIDN'T MEAN SUPER UNIT!
And you said they were tactical units?
Well to this day. I've almost never found a tactical use for burton.

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I think ubermedic means an humvee wich starts with hero rank and is faster and has an diffrent machinegunner or something but not an superweapon like something in battle of middleearth

[Von Lugar]

maybe another charactor like jarmenkell, except better,

or there can be a super hijaker, that can take more thatn one vehicle,

or maybe a demolitions man like crazy ivan from yuri's revenge,

there can also be a super hero, that has all three of the powers that the 3 original ones have now.

Thats as far as my thinking takes me.

hope that helped...

[Phoenix911]

Please Note:
WHENEVER I SAID HERO VEHICLE I DIDN'T MEAN SUPER UNIT!
And you said they were tactical units?
Well to this day. I've almost never found a tactical use for burton.

1) I know u was not talking about a super unit but a hero vehical would have to be good for it to be a hero and imo we don't need one, what u want is another transpot vehical to move the heros around specificly for them? IMO its not needed it silly to add enough unit for transpoting them when there is atlest 1 but most teams have 2 ways to move troops around fast.
Humvees, chinnocks, helix, troopcrawlers, technicals, battlebuses and plenty more units capable of moving your hero around fast so why add a speacial one?

2) The reason cal burton is not really tactical in the original generals is quiet simply because ALL!!! heros was lame as fuck. the only half decent one was jarmin kel, lotus was not too bad too col. burton sucked.
I have hardly ever seen any of my friends ever use the heros just because they suck. But they are hero units and there powers was ment to be tactical, col B demolishs buildings but charges was too weak and time placing them was too slow. so he was no good, lotus abilty to capture buildings not too bad but also she tooktoo long and often would be killed before completing her task, or she would capture a building but die just as she finishes. Jarmin kel the only hero with a anoying power that was used quiet often from what i have seen. But still they all left heros undesirable.

This is why this topic was started to make the heros more desirable and give them there tactical status they should have had original and to make them fear'd for once.

I also don't liek the idea of bring the general onto the battlefield, this is modern warfair the generals never actuly engage incombat now, there all desk jockeys. Also this is why each said has a hero its so the hero can do the work for the general in his place. Also the general is the player *you* Yes that right *you* this is why the ai sometimes says "are buildings is being captured general" because u are the general.

Edited by Phoenix911, 07 August 2006 - 08:24 PM.

[Phoenix911]

Jezus fucking Christ, That you type so fucking long comments.. Jezus

thats so we can say everythign we think without needing to spam small 1 liners.

[Capt.Drake]

Guys you are just partly true, a 5 Star general isn't sitting on the fild, but he has in most cases no direkt command, while sb like a 1 Star general is normally not far behind the front line, if he has a direct command, so he might be caught when his unit is getting overrun! But this is off topic
I kind of like the Airforce hero idea now if the Squdron strike is made good.
But what about the other gens?
I mostly got no ideas!

[need my speed]

I like the idea of the hero that escapes if he's killed.

[Pendaelose]

I've been watching the topic and I've noticed a few things:

1: there have not been enough good ideas to cover all 12 generals. I've seen maby 3-5 ideas that made me raise an eyebrow. thats not even half way there.

2: most importantly, I've noticed that there are only a few BASIC styles of characters suggested that would work. Ironicly, 3 out of the 4 are already the characters in game. Other characteres don't need to be just like the old heros, but because there have been no other suggestions, it looks like they will follow the same basics. There have been alot of suggestions for character types, but every single one of them (unless aubsurd) fell into these basic groups.

Sniper (Karmen Jell)
Assault (Burton)
Support (Lotus)
Demolitions/Engineer

every character described could be considered something allong those lines. But this really isn't a problem. Look at BFME2 and Dawn of War. Both of these games had very nice use of Characters, but they also fell into basic groups. both games had only Support, Melee, and Ranged characters, yet they made a strong variety out of just 3 types.

Basic balance points for each:

Sniper: ofcourse all sniper characters are nearly impervious to infantry, but there are other balance factors as well. Can they damage vehichles or snipe drivers? and what additional powers are gained? I think Karmen Jell is actualy a very useful character and well worth using, I think most GLA players do. Even the AI can sometimes use him viscously. If a sniper character is stripped of the command aura and mob summoning, then he could be given a faster sniper rifel, or direct damage to vehichles. etc...

Assault: as it CURRENTLY stands I think burton is by far the least loved character. when the AI uses him to attack your base its a joke, he just gets blown up by the first base defense. These character types need to be much stronger. Perhaps the power call-in attacks should be given to the assault type characters. renforments powers, or targeting for generals powers like artillery barrages... these would help alot. Also, improved stealth options. If burton stands like a dumb ass firing his machine gun at a tank and he gets revield, it just proves he's worthless, but maby if he also stayed cloaked he would be a littleworth while. Balancing aspects of these characters are a much wider range than sniper type characters.... they can have any type of weapon, they can have any type of power.... but the basic facts remains they need to be much stronger and more useful than burton is.

Support: I think the most feared character of all has to be lotus. Even the AI can run her into a base and capture 4 buildings before she's killed. But there are also many other options for support characters. For example, there could be an officer character for infa china who has a huge command aura radius and spawns huge mobs of conscipts... or a character that SPECILIZES in targeting powerfull airstrikes. For GLA you could have a support character that created the strategy center effect and buffed ALL your units/buildings on the map with a chosen plan... the options for a support character are almost endless.

Demolitions/Engineer These characters could really almost be grouped under the support catagory, but I think they stand out just a little. basicly... infiltrate and plant a REALY BIG BOMB and then get out if you can. A fair demolitions character would have few if any other weapons. maby a pistol. And in some cases they might could be given special base defenses only they can build (supw general?) Right now the demolitions role is shared across all the other characters, but it could be removed from them, and made more powerful in a demolitions character type. They could plant full size nukes, or satalite barrage beacons, etc.

Now, that being said, notice there are 4 character types and 4 generals per faction... I think the most balanced and well rounded option is to line them up 1for1. example:

SupW: Demolitions/Engeneer
AirF: Sniper
Lazr: Support
Cybr: Assault

Nuke: Demolitions
Infa: Support
Tank: Assault
Flame: Sniper

Slth: Sniper
Demo: Demolitions
Assault:Assault
Chem: Support

ofcourse there would still be all unique, new heros for each faction, but it puts a basic frame inwhich to build each. instead of struggling for some hokie gimmick to make them match the general, just look at the character type and choose weapons/powers apropriate to that general.

[CPT.TIKER]

For the Chinese
i think that the sniper should be given to the tank general
The support should be given to Flame general
assult should be given to infantry general

[Phoenix911]

For the Chinese
i think that the sniper should be given to the tank general
The support should be given to Flame general
assult should be given to infantry general

Tanks don't need support they have the command vehicals that give them a constent frenzy lvl2.
And tanks are all about assults.
Infantry does need the support so i think the way pend listed them is fine.

Super weapon gen.
Has very good stealth capablitys and can move around undetected praticly, only has a pistal small fire range but pretty powerful (colt m1911 or so) basicly a powerful pistal but with short range And a knife
Would carry a high explosive emp charge, capable of blowing any buildings apart from the strongest IE: command centers and sw. but will leave them heavily damaged.)
The blast would also send out a pretty big emp wave shutting down all vehicals in area of effect and also all buildings in ares will go offline, this effect could last about 30 seconds maybe a 1min.
Or maybe give him the abilty to Build a stealthed structure that only he can build, it would produce a large emp field shuting all vehicals down and only emp shilded units or infantry could hunt it down and destroy to stop this field, If built close to a base it could prove leathal to a defenceline could even stop an armored attack, maybe even nock a plane out of the air that flys throught is cover zone.


Airforce Gen.
Same idea as ai already said with the sniper cannon for light vehicals and infantry able to call in hero squadron strike every 2-3 mins.

Laser gen.
Would have the abilty to call in small laser barrages for fire support, would also give a healing effect around him about 500-600 radius(about that of rocket buggy range) Could even boost there attack speed or power. idk. Maybe even moving speed.
Also capable of spawning 2 fire support vehicals that the laser gen can build.

Cyber gen.
Would be fast because he is an assult hero, he would carry a powerful and fast firing laser, it would also have a small penitrator beam cannon under it capable of blasting tanks and armor pretty fast. (maybe make him automaticly use the right weapon for the job) Can remined stealthed using a stealth camo suit (meaning can move very close before being detected) Could also be able to shut power down (only power) this way can help your assulting force moving up.

Nuke gen.
Again would move undetected and would have only have a knife and pistal., would carry a mini tactical nuke charge with a blast radius about that of 250-300 not sure of attack power but would be a threatening. also may lay a nuke minefield around him capable of being set every 3 mins, would have a minefield cover of about 150.

Infantry gen.
Would carry a nade luncher capable of firing HE 40 rounds for fire support but his MOST powerful round he can use is a round that blows up just above the target and drops propganda leaflets around, basicly doing the effect that the propganda drop gen power did(usless gen power) This would stop let your troops push up without problem able to kill there targets while there demoralized.
And would also have a propoganda aura to heal near by friendlys, maybe make it possable to capature enemy infantry if they stand too long in this aura they defect to your side.

Tank gen.
To be honest i can't think of one for this general. lol
Maybe give the abilty spawn 1 chimmara tank with 2 battlemaster tanks, He would be armed high powered antitank rocket that splits like a mirv missle hittin all targets in path, also carrys a small Sub machinegun for anti infantry.

Flame gen.
Has a high powered rifle like the one the redgaurd carrys but better.
Would fire napalm rounds that instantly kills him and hurts others in the area, and when the incinadery rounds upgrade is complted he would get a more advance version of teh round that not only kills him instently but creates a highly danagrose firestorm thats lasts for like 30 seconds maybe 1min and it spreads rapidly.

Stealth gen.
High powered sniper rifle with the abilty to shoot out pilots, able to kill infantry 1 hit (like i needed to tell u:P)
And would have an aura around him that is like the gap generators from red alert that covers an area capable of covering a small army.

Demo gen.
Only weilding a pistal and knife, would carry standard Hi powered-demo charges, and once he gets the abilty to build his nuke demo truck he can build nuke versions of these demo traps same power as the nuke gens tactical nuke demo charge i said about before. reuse times i leave to pend to choose.
Can spawn 1 demo truck already upgraded with HE and Toxin upgrade.

Assult Gen.
Can't think of anything lmao again.
Give him a PKM mg that can rip infantry and light armor to peaces, can throw TnT and gives a small attack bounas to all units within area of effect. (again this is only thing i can think of right now.)

Toxin gen.
Throws toxin and acid grenades and grants all his units an incress in there toxin leathality by about 25%
Also can call in a toxin/acid strike onto a target (2 cropdusters like a10s) Lead can be toxin and the 2 wingsmen can be acid or u could give the abilt to call in purly acid and purly toxin cropdusters on target, only one can be used each charge, so after one is used teh other blanks out till 2 misn has counted down again.

[need my speed]

Super Weapons: A guy who can disguise him self like the Bomb Truck. But, defences won't attack him (if he's disguised as a enemy soldier). He is armed with EMP C4's that explodes after 10 seconds. Then a huge EMP blast will be released and every building / vehicle / plane in a wide area will be turned off. He can also choice to plant Demo C4's. This C4 is like the MOAB, and again, it will explode in 10 seconds. The hero will need 2-5 seconds to plant his C4's, and he don't have other weapons. But what do you want, he can sneak through defences and blows up a whole base with 2 or more MOAB's before he dies! If he plants a C4, the defences will start shooting at him. A good tip is to check you base often, if you see something moves around that you can't select, throw everythig at him you got, it's probaly the SW hero. If his health reaches zero, he will releases a EMP blast that affects everything on the map and runs out of the screen. If he's way, the EMP blast is over.

Airforce: A sniper that can snipe aircraft (and kill the pilot inside). His bullets can even hit Aurora Bomber! Bye bye aircraft! He can kill the driver of vehicles every 30 seconds, but don't worry, with his Chaingun like sniper he can destroy 1 or 2 tanks too if you micro well. Infantry is no match for his sniper. He's cloacked to. If he dies, a Commanche will pick him off and moves out of the map. The Commanche is invulnerable.

Lasers: A fast guy who is armed with a Advanced Railgun. This Advanced Railgun is equiped with PDL (Point Defence Laser) and can kill infantry in 1 shot. Vehicles in 2 (normal vehicles) or 3 (vehicles like the Overlord). He can't shoot at aircraft, and needs 5 seconds before he can shoot again with his Advanced Railgun. However, he can paint other units / buildings like the Avanger. He needs backup cause he can't handle vehicles on its own, but he can make a difference between lose and win a battle. He's cloacked. If he dies, a giant Laser Drone comes at the screen and will fire a weak laser every 2 seconds. The hero will go inside the Laser Drone and the Laser Drone flys away.

Cyborgs: The mother drone! She can use her children to attack enemies, and convert other units in drones. She carries 5 children that she can release one for one. If a children is die, he will automatically replaced by an other drone after 1 minute. The childrens can eat up infantry and even vehicles! If they have eaten a vehicle they will gain 10% more armor. They can gain a maximum of 50% armor bonus. They are very fast. The mother drone can convert enemy vehicles and infantry into a children of her. She don't is cloacked. If she dies she will dig a hole in the ground and goes in. Then the hole closes and everything is like normal. Her children (if they are on the map) will stop function and you can capture them!

Nuclear: Now this is fun. He has a laptop to delivery a nuclear bomb to a building and after a few seconds BOOOM! And probaly that building is destroyed. The bomb leaves nuclear radiation arround it and is as powerfull as a Nuclear Missile. However he has a short range and no other weapons. But what do you want? He can delivery a nuclear bomb every 30 seconds! And he's cloacked! If he dies he will put his coordinates at the laptop and send them to a Helix. The Helix will come and the hero moves in, then the Helix flys away.

Infantry: A hero that carries a pistol that can kill infantry in one shot. He has a propoganda effect too. He can call in a tactical squad every minute. Then 5 Tank Hunters and 5 Minigunners will be dropped by a plane at his current location. This tactical squad has 50% more health then there normal ones, has 25% more range and firepower then there normal ones, and has a propoganda effect. The squad will guard theh ero with there lives, so you need to kill the squad first before you can kill the hero. If the squad is dropped, the hero and the squad will be 1 unit like the Angry Mob. If he dies, a Paradrop Plane will come and drops 20 Minigunners, The hero runs away, and the Minigunners will circle around him.

Tanks: A giant moving Fortress. He can carry 4 tanks that shoots out of the Fortress. It's heavily armored but very slow. If he's destroyed, 2 Battlemasters will appear. The enemy will try to kill these Battlemasters (they haves about 25% of normal Battlemasters health and won't shoot at the enemy), and the hero can drive away.

Flame: If he dies, a Plane will drop a fire bomb. The screen wll be fulled with fire, and after 2 seconds, if the fire is way, the hero will be escaped. The fire can't kill or destroy something.

Stealth: A sniper who is always clocked, even if he fires. He can snipe the driver of a vehicle (you don't need to wait 30 seconds like the Airforce gens sniper) and can kill infantry quick, but that's all. If he dies, a Tunnel Network will pop up next to hem, he will go in, and the Tunnel Network will explode.

Demo: If he dies, a Civillian Truck will arrive. The guy in this truck will throw bombs at the enemy (don't worry, they don't explode or something). The enemy panics and will let the hero go. After a few seconds the bombs disapears and the Truck will drive away.

Assault: If he dies, 2 Technicals will arive with 1 Limousine in the middle. The Technicals will shoot at everything in his sights. The hero will go in the Limousine and drives away. The Technicals will follow him a second later.

Chemical: If he dies, a Toxin Tractor that is about 25% faster then the normal ones will pick him off. This Toxin Tractor will poison the ground around him.

I will type the other heros later.

Edited by need my speed, 08 August 2006 - 05:40 PM.

[Ironwolf]

I dont get the whole 'recover and/or fly off' concept. Why cant they just die and you can build another one at the barracks? o.o
Or about something would come and kill off everything else :\

But GREAT idea to the disguise thing. Kind of like Spys from RA2.
And of a sort of officer that has the propaganda effect.
Anyone ever see that 'adolf hitler' unit from planetcnc or something like that? lol

[need my speed]

It isn't magic, it's just a sniper bullet.

Edited by need my speed, 08 August 2006 - 06:44 PM.