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[Olorin]

Well I'm pretty confident that a hero with the name Thorin III Stonehelm would have a couple of powers, at the least. I'm guessing he'll be something of an Aragorn; possessing leadership, but also having a couple of destructive powers at his disposal.

[Nertea]

Yeah, of course he has powers, but say for example that I can't give hints or confirm anything because there isn't anything yet .

[Olorin]

Oh, I get it. So now we have the option of getting our ideas into the mod, or hopefully one at least. One question: how many powers are you going to give him?

My ideas:

(lvl 1) Son of the Dwarf King - gains a leadership bonus when near Dain Ironfoot
(lvl 3) Stonehelm - Blademaster/Slayer type ability, but gives defense more than attack
(lvl 4) Leadership - fear resist + 60% damage to all Dwarf units
(lvl 7) Erebor's Wrath - a crippling attack that targets many units and knocks them back

He seems like the type of hero who would have a B4ME II Earthquake type ability, but knowing that that's not true to Tolkien's work, nor physically possible (and the fact that we all detest B4ME II so much ) doesn't make it a feasible idea. Though he does look like he deserves a destructive power; I looked up Thorin here and it said that his name was derived from the Old Norse words for 'daring' and 'audacious', so to me that points to destructive powers.

Edited by Olorin, 18 April 2007 - 08:33 AM.

[Ecthelion]

I don't like the stonehelm ability but otherwise not bad. Stonehelm seems like a much more defensive rather than offensive. Maybe an ability involving him putting on his helm thereby lowering his sight hugely and his attack accuracy but making his armour much higher.

[Nertea]

Well if you want to actually develop powers for the Dwarves, as far as I know 3 of the 5 mainfaction heroes have nothing slated yet. And one of the other two isn't actually a dwarf anyways...

I actually want to finalize the powers by the weekend too, so you have until then to give your input .

Oh, and the 3 are Dain, Thorin and Gloin btw.

Edited by Nertea, 19 April 2007 - 02:59 AM.

[Olorin]

I don't like the stonehelm ability but otherwise not bad. Stonehelm seems like a much more defensive rather than offensive. Maybe an ability involving him putting on his helm thereby lowering his sight hugely and his attack accuracy but making his armour much higher.

I remember saying that the Stonehelm ability gives more defense than attack. Something like 100% armour (possibly more, since it lasts as much as the other Blademaster/Slayer abilities) and 25% attack. And the origin of his nickname Stonehelm is of unknown origin, so him putting on a stone helm isn't very likely. But thankyou for your comments.

Now to think up of abilities for Dain and Gloin. By the way, of which race is the other hero (the one who isn't a Dwarf)? It's a man, isn't it?

Edited by Olorin, 19 April 2007 - 06:03 AM.

[Herunor]

By the way, of which race is the other hero (the one who isn't a Dwarf)? It's a man, isn't it?

i don't think so, it's more of a bird i guess.

[Ecthelion]

One of the old ravens mentioned in The Hobbit?y Olorin, only read the beginning where you put blademaster - missed the rest somehow

[Canterbury]

I think Oak is implying the Eagels because they are a minifaction hero that is apart of the dwarves minifactions and also not a dwarf

[Olorin]

One of the old ravens mentioned in The Hobbit?y Olorin, only read the beginning where you put blademaster - missed the rest somehow

Probably not the ravens, as they will be a scout unit already. And I forgive you for the Blademaster thing.

I think Oak is implying the Eagels because they are a minifaction hero that is apart of the dwarves minifactions and also not a dwarf

If, by that, you mean that Thorin is implying an Eagle-type hero because it is a mini-faction hero that is a part of the Dwarven main-faction, and is also not a Dwarf , then I disagree. The Great Shelf mini-faction is strictly for the Eagles; why would the team make a hero in the main-faction, when that would ruin part of the uniqueness of the mini-faction? You know what I mean?

[Herunor]

no, i meant a raven hero, it's the only possibility i can think of.

[Uruk King]

There are no raven heroes, the only heroes Erebor has altogether are Dain Ironfoot, Thorin Stonehelm, Gloin, Gimli, Dwalin, Gwaihir, and Landroval.

[Ecthelion]

...and how are you so sure... considering a staff member just told us there was a non-dwarf one in the MAIN FACTION. I'm thinking raven is the only possibility or maybe someone from Dale? or Bilbo?? a model and render was made for Bilbo a long time ago.

[Herunor]

i don't think that there will be someone from dale, as they're a own faction, but Bilbo is another possibility, you're right, just forgot that render

[King Earnur]

I'd say Dale is more liely because thy're closer to Erebor and Bilbo only went there once[on his adventure] I think?

[Mathijs]

There are no raven heroes, the only heroes Erebor has altogether are Dain Ironfoot, Thorin Stonehelm, Gloin, Gimli, Dwalin, Gwaihir, and Landroval.

Being so confident about something you don't know anything about might cause you to be embarrased later. Just saying.

[Olorin]

...and how are you so sure... considering a staff member just told us there was a non-dwarf one in the MAIN FACTION. I'm thinking raven is the only possibility or maybe someone from Dale? or Bilbo?? a model and render was made for Bilbo a long time ago.

It wouldn't be a Raven. Just thinking logically, can you imagine a leader amongst birds who has gone out to represent their species alongside the Dwarves? Yeah, I thought so. I'm going with someone from Dale, like a representative from the main-faction or something. It's the only thing that makes sense.

I'd say Dale is more liely because thy're closer to Erebor and Bilbo only went there once[on his adventure] I think?

Yep, Bilbo has a good affilitation with the Dwarves on account of their quest together to reclaim Erebor, but Bilbo was not known for taking up arms in the Third Age, so he wouldn't be that extra hero that we're talking about. I'm going for the man of Dale.

There are no raven heroes, the only heroes Erebor has altogether are Dain Ironfoot, Thorin Stonehelm, Gloin, Gimli, Dwalin, Gwaihir, and Landroval.

Being so confident about something you don't know anything about might cause you to be embarrased later. Just saying.

Quoted for the truth. That's happened to me about my Tolkien lore so many times in these forums it's not funny.

As a side note to Uruk King: Gwaihir and Landroval are from the Great Shelf mini-faction (I know that you know this, so don't think I'm raving on ) so of course they wouldn't put two of the same heroes in the one faction. Can you imagine two Gwaihirs swooping down on orcs and.........well, actually you can, *mumbles something menacing about EALA making other stupid inclusions to their games*

[Mathijs]

Yep, Bilbo has a good affilitation with the Dwarves on account of their quest together to reclaim Erebor, but Bilbo was not known for taking up arms in the Third Age, so he wouldn't be that extra hero that we're talking about. I'm going for the man of Dale.

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How clear must the hint be?

[King Earnur]

Are you saying I'm right or I might be right?

[cahik_]

lol

Matias is trying really hard to hint what is the non-dwarven hero but you guys are really resistan to his hints