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[Myrdin]

as for me i like this.

when i want to take a " full scale war " ( dojob, surely knows what this line means ), i got to the normal " opened " maps, i noticed, enemy spams far more units and even gets thoose he normally aint - in Rjs.

and when i want a bit slover, and easier ( for those who have walkable walls ) game i take Rj, though beying restricted by the number of farms, i need to expand the terytory by capturing stuff like inn, and build in its " circle ".


good thing to have some kind, of the old BFME style back

[Scryer]

Any chance of seeing an Edoras mission? I mean, with Rob being a genius and discovering how to split the LWM up I think that it could make sense to have an Edoras mission. But it could be a lot different from just defending against the enemy, you know? Anyways, this this is an idea that could be used if you wanted...

This is just my idea for it:

-You start the mission with Aragorn, Legolas, Boromir (if he survived), Gandalf, and Gimli plus some peasants.
-Before you enter Edoras, you have to fight off a couple of hordes of wildmen. <Lore-wise this doesn't make much sense...
-After you enter Edoras you take out hordes of wildmen (and maybe some Uruks) that are attacking peasants and buildings (which consists of an armory, a couple of barracks/archery ranges, and maybe some stables). After you save groups of peasants, they become controllable. By the way, there would be quite a few hordes of wildmen in the city.
- When you work your way up to the Golden Hall, there could be a cut-scene between Gandalf and Grima Wormtongue. And then you have to fight him (he'd be level 10 by the way) as well as more wildmen. Also, Grima would convert one of your heroes (which would be decided randomly) before the battle begins. So if he converted Gandalf, you would be in a tougher situation.
- After you kill Grima, you gain control of Eowyn, Theoden, Hama, Gamling, and maybe a battalion of royal guards. You also gain control of unit producing buildings, armories (if you saved them from the wildmen hordes), and now you get the ability to close Edoras' front gates.
- A timer then starts for a final Wildmen attack on Edoras.
- Before the timer is up, you have to build an army on a limited amount of resources. This means that there can't be any farms in Edoras. The reason that I'm suggesting a limited amount of resources is so that you don't get a huge army already made for you at Helm's Deep.
-So after the timer is up, a Wildmen force attacks with loads of Wildmen and a couple of Ballistas, Wulf, and some Uruks. Therefore, the last objective is to survive the wildmen attack

This is just an idea if you guys wanted to add in an Edoras mission.

[Devon]

Will be in for evil, probably not for good.

[dojob]

Starting defenses are just one of the things many superior RTS games have

Wrong.

DoW and SC don't have them, and they did fine without them. If a person is gonna turtle, then they should at least have to devote resources to doing so.

I don't see what starting defenses adds to the game except for what is basically 'easy mode', since you don't have to worry about an early attack and actually plan ahead as much. And this takes a significant layer of depth from the game since it effectively reduces the number of viable strategies (again, with nothing done by the defending player), which is bad.

Only an EXTREMELY turtle-based faction, like what I suggested for the Dwarves, should have starting defenses.

[Myrdin]

as dojob said : the whole " towers from beginning " stuff only suits to turtlers, and i would agree for it only by dwarfs - and that not even in RJ maps, for in Rjs all good folks start with walls, which already pushes the enemy to build siege, and that takes a lot of time and resources.

[KingBradley]

This is a Great Mod with a load of hard work. The game was changed drastically with a load of new things this is the reason why the game can expand so much. Thank you Robert J and the team. I am new in here so I just want to suggest a few things that cross my mind.
1. Combinable Heroes
A hero that can combine with troops will get really awesome. I thought the hero will be a squad leader instead of banner carrier. So the hero will strike the enemy along with the troops. I think it is good idea if the captains or the others individual unit can too.
2. More combine variant
Maximized the variant in one production house and hopefully it can combined with the others too and also the elite troops need some combine too either with regular troops or with itself.
3. Combine numbers
The increase in number of troops that can combine will get the units looks really structured. Like, the six fountain guards combined so it will look like this

[]--> Leader
[] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []--> Troops
[] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []--> Troops
[] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []--> Troops

4. Elite troops
In original Witch King every faction has their unique troop; I hope that feature not missing. Like,
Gondor – White Knight (Related to the White Tree Mark)
Rohan – Gold Crusader (Related to their Castle name)
Elves – Noldor Warrior (Or Elven Warrior or both)
Arnor – Royal Guard (Don’t have a clue)
Mordor – Black Rider (Its look great)
Isengard – Death Bringer (Same as before)
Goblin – Balrog (I think this will do than the brood)
Men of the East – Black Scorpion / Red Serpent (Only the name looks cool)
5. Nazgul
Not all Nazgul must be a hero because they ability is almost same in one with another. I think the original will be the most fit where there are three Nazgul a hero and the rest is black rider. The black rider consist of six Nazgul can make as one hero or just an elite unit. We can build they are stronger than other unit because they the Nazgul. We can add the skill that you build earlier to the Nazgul hero or to Nazgul rider and I agree if the Nazgul hero can mount the horse too.
The other reason we can’t make too many heroes in one faction it will confuse the players who they want to use though he wants to used them all but not all the heroes can adds appropriate force.
6. Balrog
I think Balrog is not good to be a power because it has a skill set and not have good amount of health. So when we summon him too close to the enemies it can do just a thing or two before it dies in the other hand if we summon too far from the enemies it can do just a thing or two before it disappears. So I think the solution is to make it an elite units or hero.
7. Hero
About the new hero name some of them seems like not linked to the original but there are some who have a good bell too. Like Radagast or Azog. I think we should follow the originator way of thinking when he created names like Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Elrond, Arwen, Frodo, Gandalf, Saruman, etc. Maybe a name that bell like the original ones. About Men of the East, because we don’t know the names that the originator will use so I think the name like Saladin can make great impression on hero or a name like Central East warrior. For the hero of Men of the East I suggest a sorcerer, the appearance like a Sultan or Central East model will compatible with the troops.
8. Hero Skill
Saruman last skill is not really good. How about we changed it into Thunder Storm who looks like to word of power in effect but need some adjustment with the distance and there is a Witch King too. How come Witch King do not have great arsenal in his spell book, the ones like the word of power will do. Why the Word of Power? Because they all great wizard and Gandalf not so great in movies so why he the only ones who have a strong skill. And Boromir need skill like invulnerability.
9. Arnor Fortress
I think you don’t need to integrate add on buildings with the fortress because it’s not compatible. Because the Arnor fortress holds their round shape as trademark so we can make add on buildings as standalone not merging with the fortress itself.
10. Unit Production Buildings
I think your idea in Arnor will do in other faction too where the troops is divided by the Group not weapon. Like in elves for example. We can categorize the troops by their living place. Like, Rivendell, Lothlorien, Mirkwood where the units name will follow the buildings names like Rivendell Lancer, Rivendell Archer.

[KingBradley]

1.What about installing detach features in normal troop too.
2.It's not enough, I think. If I'm not wrong, the Evil forces variation is not much nor the Good has enough variation. I am greedy.
3.I mean a much larger troop, maybe. Like in the movies when Eomer come with his Rohirrim or like when Theoden cast the Glorious Charge in Peleanor field. They all dashing forward together as one battalion.
4.Well they are but just to add up the libraries of troop. When we are at this why the elite of Gondor and Arnor is cavalry? I think it should stick with foot because it's they expertise, maybe. I think Argeleb is quite cool looking fellow, why don't make Royal Guard like him.
5.I mean confuse who we have to choose if we have limited resources. But if that can't do, How about a feature that can combine hero with another hero so we can have each individual Nazgul and also the Nazgul Horde (Black Rider) if they combined together?
6.Great if we can see Balrog for a long time so we can use his set of skill, you see.
7.Yes you are getting the wrong idea. I mean quite the opposites, I never heard the names of Radaghast and Azog before but they sound right and the fact it is you say. But it isn't with the rest of new heroes.
8.Well, either way Saruman need grand skill and Witch King too because I can't tell what the function of Dark Hour.
9.Right
10.I just thought that the category can change, perhaps. And thank you.

Edited by KingBradley, 15 July 2008 - 02:59 PM.

[Vithar-133]

1. Not sure if that's possible code-wise.

2.Elites don't really need to combine as they could become op.

3.Not sure what you mean exactly, but if the battalion size is increased, that could cause an increase in lag, a major source of frustration in game players.

4.Elite units for each faction are being redesigned, I believe.

5.Hmm...Another thing that I think is impossible, code-wise.

6.If you use it right, you can use every Balrog power. I've done it, so I'd know.

7.Which new heroes sound out-of-place? All of them came direct from the lore.

8.I think hero powers are going to be tweaked in future, but far down the pipline.

9.Nothing to say.

10.Elves have already been divivded, at least in the private beta. Most of the other factions have what you ask.

[tomy]

The only heroes with fictional names are the ones in Angmar (Except the Witch King) and Goblins (Except Shelob and Azog) and Bulzorg (of Mordor).

I got three suggestions

1) Change Ghorkhil's (sp?) name to Great Goblin. I believe he was intended to be the Great Goblin of the Hobbit, but was named Gorkhil for copyright issues. I'd rather see him (though he was dead by the time of the War of the Ring) than some EA's invention.
2) Add Grishnakh to Mordor, or change Snaga for Grishnakh. He was the General of the Dark Tower, he deserves to be a hero more than some random orc from Cirith Ungol.
3) Add Beregond to Gondor. I know Gondor already has many heroes, but I think that playing Beregond would feel different, as he is more of a soldier than a leader. However, he is important enough to be considered a hero, as he was the Captain of the White Company.

Edited by tomy, 15 July 2008 - 07:01 PM.

[CIL]

1. I think that is already being done.

2. He was? My lore is rusty.

3. I think something like that may be coming in the future. Hopefully, it is.

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 18 July 2008 - 02:25 PM.

[The Black Goldfish]

Change Drogoth to "Smaug The Golden". makes more sense....

[Dalf32]

smaug died in the hobbit...

[mike_]

CIL, you mean Shagrat and Gorbag.

[Devon]

And beregond wasn't captain until after the war of the ring. He was just a lowly soldier, not a hero...

[KingBradley]

1. Not sure if that's possible code-wise.

2.Elites don't really need to combine as they could become op.

3.Not sure what you mean exactly, but if the battalion size is increased, that could cause an increase in lag, a major source of frustration in game players.

4.Elite units for each faction are being redesigned, I believe.

5.Hmm...Another thing that I think is impossible, code-wise.

6.If you use it right, you can use every Balrog power. I've done it, so I'd know.

7.Which new heroes sound out-of-place? All of them came direct from the lore.

8.I think hero powers are going to be tweaked in future, but far down the pipline.

9.Nothing to say.

10.Elves have already been divivded, at least in the private beta. Most of the other factions have what you ask.

Mostly I can only say "I see". But can you explain why it is impossible for number 1 and 5? Is there so much change from combine troops? For Balrog I just want to see it longer.

Edited by KingBradley, 16 July 2008 - 04:58 AM.

[Devon]

Heroes and troops just wouldn't work..with powers and skills and all....it just wouldn't

Nazzies will stay as they are...the coolest part about them is that there's so many of them...a very powerful hit and run strike force if you can afford them.

The balrog can completely demolish a base...it's a waste taking it against units.

[Dalf32]

balrogs are useless against units because if you completely ignore them you can take out an entire base (except the fortress) rather quickly. it wouldnt make all that much sense lore-wsie to have a balrog hero because... well it jsut wouldnt

[KingBradley]

Heroes and troops just wouldn't work..with powers and skills and all....it just wouldn't

I see this is the reason you cannot add this features to elites too.
Is that why the elf new unit don't have any power at all?
Is the bombard ability works?
Can you explain more detail about it?
Why the features will not do if the unit have power or skill?

Edited by KingBradley, 16 July 2008 - 04:55 PM.

[Devon]

Which new elf unit? The captain of arnor? He's just not finished in the current beta.

And for heroes merging....well, for one thing there wouldn't be enough power slots for the merged units, they would fight rather awkwardly, they would gain whatever experience the hero already had, and if the hero died and the horde was level 2 or near a well, he would just respawn.