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[Berethin]

Yes, that's what I mean; the heroes would not be standing still and letting the troll knock them around at its pleasure! What I was suggesting is that a troll would be strong enough to take down a hero, one on one, without taking into account a hero's powers like blademaster or the like. Also, like I said, I think the trolls could stand to be a touch more resistant versus spears and arrows, as sometimes they go down too easily to them. I think this would do more justice to both trolls and heroes alike.

I'm not saying that I want a hero to be strong enough to take down anything that comes its way. I'm just saying that I think we should look at how the trolls work a little more closely. I'd have no problem with a troll being able to kill a hero, one on one, if the hero was simply spared the humiliation of being used as a basketball!

[Puppeteer]

So the knockback wouldn't happen all the time. Simple! *insert Meerkat chirp*

[Neth]

The "magic" elven walls ( ) also have a hole in them, on the left front corner when youre looking at the gate.

Also, the meerkat says "Simples!" That advert rocks.

[Dalf32]

well this seems like the perfect time to resurrect a suggestion of mine from arguments past:
randomize the knockback against heros.
this is about a close as we can get to simulating a hero's dodging during a face-off with a troll.

[Wanderer∞]

Agree with randomization!

Random=Chaos. I'm just an agent of chaos...

[mike_]

I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it

[dojob]

Fine, but its gotta be most of the time (60-70%) just to make people be a little more careful and to add viability to trolls which would give a reason not to just orc/goblin spam to victory.

[Berethin]

I agree with the idea of randomization – anything that keeps the heroes from being knocked around all the time!

I wondered if maybe light heroes would have a higher chance of avoiding knockback. They'd simply to be nimbler - especially elven heroes. Maybe the hobbits could be immune to knock-back.

[Argeleb]

Well, when troll attacking a hobbit it's easy to miss

[{IP} Aridor]

I like the idea for a nimbleness factor.

[Dalf32]

i dont know how easy or difficult that would be to implement (speaking of the 'nimbleness factor' here) but it would be rather nice.
and why was this so hard to push through the beta forums, but is getting such a reception from the rest of the audience?

[Vithar-133]

Because most of the private team are as stubborn as elves, while those outside of the private forums aren't.

[{IP} Aridor]

I am only stubborn on realism and lore.

[Devon]

After playing some 1.05.06 with Jonas, I just realized how much trolls suck in the public version. Seriously, 4 crossbow hordes took out two trolls before they could do any damage at all. So whoever said make trolls better against archers and spears, it's been done

[Uruk King]

In the original BFME game, the unit counter tactics were a bit different from the messed up version that we have now, will there be any midifications to greater resemble the original unit counter system?

[Devon]

Yes, very, very many.


Cavalry is a lot stronger, archers are much weaker to all melee damage are probably the biggest.

[Hasfusel]

I had quite an idea. I want to see what you all think.

Realistically, if a leader died in front of his troops they'd all suffer damage to their morale and maybe even retreat. And if your troops managed to kill an enemy leader they'd likely gain a high boost to their morale and rally.
So, I was thinking... If a hero dies, all the units in a leadership-sized radius are debuffed to a degree measured by the cost (representing importance) of the hero for a small amount of time. If the hero was really awesome, like Gandalf or Elrond, they'd flee for their lives.
On the other hand, if you can kill an enemy hero your units gain a boost for a small amount of time because they've just offed one of the opposing generals.
It's realistic and would be great for the mod. It could really turn the tide of battle and make you think twice before pushing heroes into battle.

[Neth]

I think thats a very good idea, if your leader who was holding you all together died i'd run.

*spelling fixed

Edited by Nethelen Narcu, 31 January 2009 - 08:56 PM.

[Vithar-133]

Not sure how possible that is, but it would be interesting to see, although a leader's death should affect any units present...

But, this would probably require time to implement and balance...

[Devon]

I had quite an idea. I want to see what you all think.

Realistically, if a leader died in front of his troops they'd all suffer damage to their morale and maybe even retreat. And if your troops managed to kill an enemy leader they'd likely gain a high boost to their morale and rally.
So, I was thinking... If a hero dies, all the units in a leadership-sized radius are debuffed to a degree measured by the cost (representing importance) of the hero for a small amount of time. If the hero was really awesome, like Gandalf or Elrond, they'd flee for their lives.
On the other hand, if you can kill an enemy hero your units gain a boost for a small amount of time because they've just offed one of the opposing generals.
It's realistic and would be great for the mod. It could really turn the tide of battle and make you think twice before pushing heroes into battle.

This opposite of this is being planned for Theoden. When he dies, your rohan units go crazy and become unselectable but start slaughtering everything around them. Huge damage boosts.