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[Berethin]

How about all of the early or mid-game heroes inspire smalls degrees of rage, and late-game heroes inspire fear - Theoden being a unique exception to this.

The dwarves would certainly be dead-set on avenging their fallen heroes, Rohirrim would be the second most so, and Gondor possibly third. Maybe have it unique to their factions, or perhaps to the good factions alone? I can't picture an orc charging out to avenge one of their heroes. The MotE might be an exception to this rule, though, as they are men.

Otherwise, I'd like to see this whole system a part of Theoden alone.

[The Hawk of Light]

No, the first is the Elves, if Elrond or Galadriel die in a battle, the Elves will become unstopables.

[Puppeteer]

Faramir, without a doubt, should be one of the ones that makes the allies more powerful upon his death. Beregond killed 3 other citadel guards because Faramir and what not.

I was thinking about Faramir, and there's a little dilemma. I would have thought that in Ranger form, fellow rangers would have become demoralised, due to their dangerous and cloak & dagger style, but in Knight form, I would have thought that fellow knights would have become totally enraged.

[{IP} Aridor]

The elves aren't ones for rage and revenge. Other than the line of Feanor.

[Neth]

What happend to this idea?

Edited by Nethelen Narcu, 02 February 2009 - 11:04 PM.

[{IP} Aridor]

Heck yes archers should be able to be given a hold position command. Pikes would be nice too.

[Devon]

Pikes have that. It's called porcupine

[mike_]

Actually, both Gimli and Aragorn remarked in TT (book, foo') that troops of Orcs were notorious of tracking down the slayers of their captains for days without end.

[Devon]

Show me the quote. Do it. I dare you.

[Berethin]

That's a good point about the orcs. Now that you mention it, I remember something about that after they escaped from Moria, where Aragorn had killed the orc chieftain at the tomb.

But, then again, I believe that at the actual moment the chieftain's death caused the orcs to retreat, allowing the Fellowship time to escape. So the immediate effect of a heroes death, I think, would be negative if anything for the evil factions.

[The Hawk of Light]

A hero death will be a negative point especially for the orcs, thei simple flee our become with fear for a long time, becase Orcs dont think alone, thei neede a brain.

[{IP} Aridor]

The orcs would flee b/c they are motivated by fear. The Dwarves would go besserk if they lost any hero, and the men would be somewhere in between. The Elves would most likely not be affected one way or the other. This is of course a generalization and different types of units would behave differently.

On a side note the porcpine formation is retarded and useless.

[Rafv Nin IV]

If you're playing the comp, sometimes they're stupid enough to trample right over your pikes, but I've never used it in an online match except to creep warg lairs faster.

[Dalf32]

its only really any good to block up a choke point (castle gate perhaps) that the enemy has to go through. although it is only really good for that if the enemy has cavalry obviously.

[{IP} Aridor]

I liked it in BFME 1 where the pike formation was just pikes lowered forward. It upped their attack a lot but made them really slow. It was really good against holding choke points against cav. You could set you pikes on the side of a ford and hold it against cav. Back that up with a lot of archers and you have that ford pretty much sealed. But in a circle is useless. It does jack.

[Wanderer∞]

It makes more sense to have all pikes hold a line formation. Every phalanx works best that way, at least according to most movies it does

[Dalf32]

it really makes no sense to have them in a circle as that greatly reduces the number of pikes pointing towards any given enemy and completely wastes any pikes fortunate enough to be in the back of the supposed circle-o'-death that is the porcupine formation should the attack only be coming from the one side which just so happens to be just about the only situation where you would use such a stance anyways.
heh, no punctuation

Edited by Dalf32, 04 February 2009 - 01:01 AM.

[Puppeteer]

heh, no punctuation

Bastard.
Yes, I think I remember the old pikemen formation. I loved the aesthetics of seeing a slow moving mass of Uruk pikemen descend towards the enemy. I don't get the same feeling from the circle-of-uselessness.

[Vithar-133]

Personally, I think I only managed to get the porcupine to work once or twice. The Gondorian Soldier's Block Formation or the Tower Guard's Shield Wall would make more sense as the Formation of choice.

[{IP} Aridor]

Shield wall works real good.