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[Garrison Nomad]

Yeah, i see. I guess a scimitar is basically a curved sword. A corsair would use one to attack quickly and dispatch foes one after the other. A goblin/orc/small troll would use a big one to hit as many foes at once as he possibly could.

[Garrison Nomad]

hmm....

well, my brother played an extensive match against goblins as men and discovered that they have the best siege in the entire game. Mountain giants are absolutely brutal, and have to stay, along with cave trolls (with some reskinning =\). Spider riders and spiderlings are absolutely useless (riders more than lings) when it comes to open warfare. half-trolls are powerful, but when it comes to holding the lines their attack speed just isn't quick enough. Goblin warriors become extremely useful late game, and especially if the enemy is turtling. if you mass them and climb their walls it draws all their attention while your powerful siegers lay waste to the walls to allow bigger units in (like half-trolls). so...goblins need a couple things. they need an anti-infantry, a frontline defence mass unt, and a cavalry.

[Servant of Sauron]

WARG RIDERS!!!!

[Garrison Nomad]

well...the wargs i'm thinking would be more wolfish, and smaller. They'd have all arrays of weaponry, from spears to axes, and would be quite agile. a bow/sword toggle wouldn't fit them, and an exclusively archer unit wouldn't work very well for them, either. Plus, these would be massable cavalry. down in moria, the goblins swarm. above ground, they ride.

The thing with goblins and their eyes to me is that they always look somewhat surprised.

[Downfall]

See the Gobling aren't that bad of a faction. And could even be a force on the battlefield.

I'm sure this has been stated before somwhere in all this madness , but they really need a fast anti-infantry unit. They lack a decent buffed infantry unit. Face it the goblin warriors and marauders just don't do the job. And if look look at it, the only Hero worth their price and change is Drogoth. They need a tank on the field to take and lash out a beating. Probably the best thing that they got going for them is their seige. It's really not much, but they could easily be fixed. Well not easily, but you know what I mean .

To sum it up: Good faction in the making, just needs a few tweaks to be great.

I refer you Garrison to my thoughts a while back in this thread
Pretty much what you just stated

[Garrison Nomad]

that's true. Yall's quality is way up there on my standards, so i see a lotta good comin from all the factions, even goblins.

Btw has anyone been tasked with redoing the Goblin King? I'm still learning how to model and skin, but i have a friend who knows his way around that stuff and is a fairly descent animator. So far i guess the only thing to change would be the mount, which i presume would be changed form a *gulp* scorpion to a warg. He definately won't be an alchoholic goblin with barely enough clothing and rubber gloves, that's for sure.

[CapnAstroSponge]

I hope they redo the Goblin King. I mean, he looks like a Green Homer Simpson. And the Scorpion? Makes about as much sense as Spider Riders. Where'd those things come from anyways?

[m@tt]

EA's arse....

Just get rid of the spider riders, replace them with 'White Wolves' hordes and a single berzerker type 'Warg of the Wilderland', both riderless.

Wolves & Wargs
Fierce canine predators. Wolves were frequently allied with the forces of evil and they were sometimes used as mounts by Orcs known as wolf-riders. White wolves were a breed found in the far north. The most feared and deadly type of wolves were the Wargs of Wilderland.

[Uruk King]

Weren't the wargs of Wilderland the ones Saruman bred for his Warg-Riders?

[clonecommand]

Goblins and spiders had no relation to each other. And the Gob King looks pretty stupid. Looks like a child.

[Garrison Nomad]

Goblins and spiders had no relation to each other. And the Gob King looks pretty stupid. Looks like a child.

A child that had one too many twinkies. You could put Bolg in...make him awesome. start with the half-troll model, tweak it into a really buff goblin, skin it, and give it a few "filler powers", like blademaster and basic leadership, plus anything recycable from Gorkil.

You're also talking about redoing a ton of architecture, and the goblin banner (which isn't that hard, but still). EA wove the goblins and spiders so closely together it's rediculous. Their architecture would most likely switch over to having a scrap metal appearance, or even EA's initial idea of their structures being captured dwarven structures....just not clones of what dwarves already have. Then again, i know how hard it is to skin buildings, so i guess the current stuff will have to do for now.

The only chance goblins ever met spiders form the lore would be when they retreated from the Battle of the Five Armies. Some went into mirkwood, but it says they were killed. The only chance of gobs ever meeting spiders is if they met in mirkwood, which is a slim chance, and not enough basis for a faction.

[CapnAstroSponge]

Yup, but you wouldn't expect EA to read, would you?

[clonecommand]

They got this far...maybe from the movies...

Yes, I've heard re-kinning buildings is hard, so can't do that.

A super powered Goblin...hmmmm....

[CapnAstroSponge]

Does sound tasty, doesn't it? lol

[Garrison Nomad]

well YEAH, u guys weren't actually considering leaving Gorkil the Slimey Wart in there, were you? The goblins may have relied on numbers, but their conquerors were some of the best. Even if in the hobbit Bolg pretty much got bodyslammed by an eagle, he was still one of the best/worst (kinda weird when those two words become interchangable).

I'd actually say the goblin heros would be ALL goblins..but yeah. Bolg and Azog are in, I'd say. Keep the drakes...they've helped out a lot with anti-infantry (though they may become OP if gobs get wargs) and are great for singing your enemies hide, so to say.

ok....new dragon UNIT for goblins? *contemplates*

[clonecommand]

They have enough dragon type things...

[Garrison Nomad]

well, yeah. I'm talking about something like an actual producable unit, though. like some kind of flying mini-drake thingy..er...idk. i don't know why goblins have a dragon connection anyways. when Smaug died they threw a party over it.

[GorGorgood]

Yeah, sorry uruk king. This whole thread kinda turned into a post-fest anyways.

In regards to Gundaband...Gundaband is pretty much a sirname for a powerful goblin unit. Gundaband was the goblin's capital in the Misty Mountains, and was where their council was held as well. Makes no sense why in RotWK Angmar got Gundaband Raiders...which would've been goblins anyways.

Hi, gundabad and the Orcs of the Misty Mountains were under the control or losse control of Angmar, and during the WotR they acknowledged Sauron as their Lord. When the Uruk-hai under Ugluk met up with the Mordor Orc and then the isengard Orcs commanded by Mahur, it wa noted that Goblins/Orcs of the Misty Mountins/Moria/High Pass/ of the North whatever were also present in this large group that Eomer attacked and defeated.

All orcs, no matter how long Sauron or Morgoth had been away in the Void, acknowledged them as their Lord when ordered to do anything by those two great and evil beings.

Chris

PS: #6 or 7 of "The Sky has Fallen"

[Garrison Nomad]

Well yah, but all orcs could immediately sense the ring's use. If that was so, then how could they not sense Gollum, even when he was sneaking up behind them and EATING them?

BTW the goblin's appearance is more asthetic than anything else. It's apparent that orcs are more similiar than we care to believe, so the goblins needed a way to look different. And every characteristic about them is inferred, and can be visualized any way you want. when i read the hobbit, that's what i thought of the goblins.

P.S.- I didn't literally mean opposite ends. i meant that they were far away. I'm from the South. I've got a right to exaggerate. =)

[Garrison Nomad]

Well, if goblins get warg riders I had an idea for what kind of ability they should get. What if goblin wargs got an ability that gave them =200% speed for ten seconds. It'd make them able to run away from attackers and chase down fleeing individuals as well. I wasn't gonna say give them howl because that's too much like Warg Riders.