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[Juissi]

Yes . Simply enough said.

[Clement]

So the wolves in RotWK and the nautral wolves are all just made up for the games?

Hum hum indeed

Just like a lot of things in ROTWK, that's why I don't like it...

[Nazgûl]

^ I second that
But ok, I guess we'll need a staff meeting on how to make the Goblin riders...

[Mordor Slayer]

I thought Tolkien clearly talked about wolves in the Hobbit, and Wargs in Lotr, who were supposed to be a more vicious breeding.

[Lauri]

I remember both wolves and wargs from both Lotr and The Hobbit... but still, it might be something about the part that it's Norwegian (the book's language)

[Mathijs]

No no no... you guys misunderstood...

There probably are wolves in Middle-earth, but the wolves Tolkien mentions as mounts for the goblins in the Hobbit were wargs. He used them as an interchangeable term at certain occasions.

[Nazgûl]

So we wouldn't be complete "heretics" if we used wolves?

[some best guest]

in the samilrilion i do not think they were called wargs

[Mathijs]

So we wouldn't be complete "heretics" if we used wolves?

Yes you would be. Orcs were allied with wargs and the kind of wolf interchangeable with the word warg, not with ordinary timber wolves.

[Garrison Nomad]

wow...been away a few days. couple things:
1. U get 10000000000 awesome points for the goblin alternate skins. Those are absolutely awesome.
2. The reason why i think half-trolls should be gundaband orcs is cause gundaband is the capital. The bigger warriors guard the more important things. They should be scaled a little IMO, but they're great models.
3. Remember that everything across the land doesn't look the same. The wargs that the goblins used lived up north, so they'll have longer hair and bigger ears. don't necessarily have to be like Peter Jacksons wargs either, though they are awesome.
4. In an attempt to provoke enlightened debate, I'd really like to see a unique cavalry for goblins. something, that's not really all that common among the ranks of the armies in this game...I was thinking goblins could get Morian Riders (an attempt at a decent name), who rather than stab at people, throw axes. Give them really short range, but it would add some interesting flavor to the goblin's already-being-seasoned war machine. adds to the hit-and-run aspect, too. Your thoughts?

sorry for posting a book, but guild wars does this to ya.

[Nazgûl]

np ^

I would say it's 99% certain that we won't ad more units to Goblins than what he have or are about to though. Goblin faction will be renamed to Moria and contain:

- Goblin Warriors (swordsmen)
- Goblin Pikemen
- Goblin Archers
- Goblin Guardians (or some fitting name for the Gundabad Warriors, which will be the Half-Trolls, scaled down)
- Goblin Wolf/Warg riders (cause I simply think it would be booring to use the Isengard Wargs again, unless we find a way to make them look different). These will replace the Spider Riders!

Heroes will most likely be:
- The Great Goblin (using Goblin King, scaled up)
- Azog <pending> (I KNOW he's dead at this time, in the books... )
- Bolg, son of Azog
^ For those two we might use a combination of CaH parts and other models...
- Firedrakes
- Shelob

That's the plan for now...

[Garrison Nomad]

sounds cool...but what all are you planning on doing with the riders? Spear-weilders, maybe? I like the axe-throw or even throw sword idea...and you'd pretty much only have to use the warg rider attack anim..but eyah, i see.

..err, what about giving the mountain giant some armor and scaling him down a bit? In the Hobbit tolkien never went into detail about them (though i'm sure he did in some otehr book =U) but right now they seem massive.

oh, and OT a bit, but i just realized where EA got the idea for them. they're Klingons!

[Nazgûl]

hehe actually, the Giant design is stolen from this movie... I saw it when I was a kid and in the end there's a monster that looks exactly like that

We won't make them smaller though, since Tolkien describes Giants as being big enough to cause storms in the mountains by throwing rocks, so basically I guess they're actually even bigger then Ents...

I'd like to have the Riders use spears yes, but we must use the Warg rider bones and anims and they will only fit swords... :/

[Garrison Nomad]

what about keeping the warg designs but redoing the rider? might be a little tedius, but it would do the trick.

[Nazgûl]

That woould be the easy way to go yes, but booring., They would look too much like Isengard's Warg Riders... at least I think so :/

[Garrison Nomad]

so...why not make them throw very-short range axes/knives?

[Nazgûl]

Once again: new animations. We have only one animator and he's kinda busy on other things :/ That's why I'd like to use Wolves instead of Wargs cause that way they'd look different and yet be able to use same bones (animations) =)

[Garrison Nomad]

Ok. *point taken in the form of a spear to the eye*.

...Could the goblins perhaps get a unit that hijacks another team's building, and if it's a production building they can produce their own troops? Sounds oped...but it could be temporary. Oh, and the goblin worker could be a human slave. Probably mentioned that before, sorry for being repetitive.

[Mordor Slayer]

I like the human slave thing . And weren't we going to add berserkers and/or shamans?

[Allathar]

Hm no wolves and wargs are like goblins and orcs.

Goblins ARE orcs, but an orc doesn't have to be a goblin. It's like dogs: there are many different looks, but they're all called dogs. Same with wolves and wargs. A warg is a wolf, but a more bigger and evil one from different breed.