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[Fyro11]

Elrond had the ring of air...

Lol, I think we shouldn't overlook the whole faction just to see what the hero relates to. I know it seems appropriate in that manner, but Mirkwood and fire? NO. Also, did Elrond have the Ring of Fire during the War of the Ring or the Angmar Invasion? Same question would apply to Galadriel.

[Devon]

I think I remember that the original bearer of the ring of fire gave it to cirdan, who gave it to gandalf.

But still...Galadriel's ring was what kept Lorien from aging much and was what seemed to stop time there. So I don't think you should just discount it out of hand

[Fyro11]

Ok now that's what I'm saying; Galadriel's ring accounts for the whole of Lothlórien so Air (or whichever it was) is appropriate for that subfac.

Edited by Fyro11, 10 May 2008 - 09:32 PM.

[Devon]

But...I was pointing out how much each ring affected the subfaction. And I'm getting confused anyway. But whatver ring Elrond/Galadriel had those noledhel should be associated with that subfaction. And Mirkwood get's fire....just because.

[mike_]

Gil-galad gave the Ring of Fire to Cirdan shortly before he...you know. And even shortly before that, he gave the Ring of Water to Elrond.
And Cirdan gave it to Gandalf upon his arrival to Middle-earth.
Cheers,
-mike

[Scryer]

Because this is kind of dead, I want to re-bring up what I said about Galadriel and Elrond. But I want to add Cirdan into this as well.

Okay, I know that Cirdan was a shipwright (sp?) and I can understand why you gave him a water based-power. But from my experience, it doesn't work on watery terrains. Maybe I'm wrong.... Now, I know that Cirdan did give away his Ring to Gandalf. But I really think that Cirdan should get a fire-based power. I'm going to get back to this....

So I think that you should give Galadriel, Cirdan's water-spout power (after it's fixed/modified) to replace her Tornado power (because it's an air-elemental power... plus Elrond already has it) and you could give Cirdan a fire-based level 10 power. As well as maybe a leadership that buffs ships or something...

For a fire-based power for Cirdan, maybe you could give him something similar to Drogoth's "Firestrike" power? Because I don't think that scorching the battlefield temporarily is really that creative (but it could be an idea to fall-back on, if all else fails). If it's a level 10 power, I think that it could start out like Drogoth's "Firestrike" power but it ends up like a more powerful Gorgoroth Spire fireball. I don't think that made much sense, so I hope you know what I mean....

Lastly, I just remembered that you gave the 3 elves "Ring" powers that work exactly like Istari Light. I think that you guys could consider making these powers elemental. By this I mean that Elrond would shoot out a powerful beam of "Air" (like the Air Sorcerer) and Galadriel would shoot out a buffed beam of water, etc.

Edited by Scryer, 27 May 2008 - 01:45 AM.

[mike_]

I wouldn't be against Cirdan having a fire-based power in the Last Alliance prologue mission, or in any that happened before Gandalf arrived in Middle-earth.
But not afterwords, no.

[Scryer]

I wouldn't be against Cirdan having a fire-based power in the Last Alliance prologue mission, or in any that happened before Gandalf arrived in Middle-earth.
But not afterwords, no.

Well, it's not like Gandalf has any fire-based powers at the moment. And I don't know about you or anyone else, but I think that Gandalf's powers are pretty good (by this I mean like power/balance-wise) so it wouldn't be like Gandalf would be using Narya in any of his powers. Not only that but time is so messed up since ROTWK was made that you could get away with giving Cirdan a permanent fire-based power. And he's part of the Arnor faction if I remember correctly, and I think that a time-frame is pretty messed up with that faction as well (because of ROTWK, to b/c of you guys).

In the end, if Gandalf isn't using it at all as a hero, then I think that Cirdan should be the one who could use its powers.

Edited by Scryer, 27 May 2008 - 02:20 AM.

[mike_]

Even though he wasn't in possession of the Ring of Fire at the time of the War of the Ring. And as for it's "powers", the Ring itself was even less suited to combat than the other Two - it's purpose was to inspire others to greater deeds, not to set fire to ground or light foes aflame.
And, no, you can't "get away" with it. Not with what's planned for the Rj campaign.

[CIL]

I think by fire, Tolkien ment inspiring fire in your allies. Anyways, it doesn't matter to me what you give him. He was powerful, so at least make him powerful. Also, please don't call fire an element. Something like Uranium or Caesium is an element.

[Scryer]

Even though he wasn't in possession of the Ring of Fire at the time of the War of the Ring. And as for it's "powers", the Ring itself was even less suited to combat than the other Two - it's purpose was to inspire others to greater deeds, not to set fire to ground or light foes aflame.
And, no, you can't "get away" with it. Not with what's planned for the Rj campaign.

Yeah I know that there is going to be a seperate Epilogue campaign with the mod. So would Arnor then be completely removed from the WOTR (I mean linear and non-linear by this) campaign? It sounds like it since you're concerned about time-frame and whatnot.

Wow, I didn't know that it wasn't suited for combat. My semantic memory has gone down the drain... Well, then maybe it could be given to Cirdan as a better leadership ability then? Like it could be a leadership ability better than most. By this I mean that it could prevent nearby allies from fleeing in fear as well as boost stats. I'm sure that the elves would look up to him as a ring-bearing leader even though he gave his ring away. <That really didn't make much sense but I hope that you know what I mean.

Edited by Scryer, 27 May 2008 - 02:35 AM.

[mike_]

I honestly don't know what's going on with the non-linear campaign. But the linear is going to follow the lore, starting with the Last Alliance and continuing on with select missions from throughout the Third Age - from the Hobbit, the White Council, the Fall of Arnor, and others if my prodding succeeds. All of these lead up to the War of the Ring, yes.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Cirdan gaining a better leadership..but not due to the Ring, at least not for War of the Ring -era missions. That said, I obviously wouldn't have a problem if he did possess the Ring during the Fall of Arnor.

[Devon]

Nonlinear will be just the events starting with something around moria and going up to the cracks of doom.

This is off topic now though

[Thorin IV]

Did Ellandan and Elrohir not both use swords?

[CIL]

They both did, yes, and they both use swords in the mod. And Yoda, I thought Rob and several others stated that there would be a prequel mission.

[Thorin IV]

Yes but did they not both use 3 swords - 2 smaller ones and 1 large one each i hadent seen either of them with a bow

[CIL]

Nor did I and I agree with you on that but it wouldn't make sense to have them toggle between different swords. I don't think that Noldor royals really used bows that often, or at all really (save Fingon or Finrod I think [I can't even remember what one I'm talking about]). I think the modders did it because it makes sense in some ways. And balance. But mostly for balance. Which reminds me of something that has grinded my gears since I bought BFME. The Elves don't fire bows correctly. They hold them horizontally instead of vertically (except Legolas). You just don't fire longbows like that. Shortbows... on occasion, maybe, but longbows (which the Elves of Lorien used), no, never. They need new anims (the sword/bow toggles).

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 31 July 2008 - 09:45 PM.

[Devon]

Seeing as are single animator is busy animating huorns and vampires and werewolves...

[Canadyan]

This doesn't have to do with the current topic but I was wondering if the thought of bringing back Legolas's melee toggle had occured at any time? I remember from BFME1, he was able to toggle straight to melee, which gave him a bit of an armor boost and well, I realized the other day that I missed that ability in BFME2/RotWK.

And no, I'm not refferring to the same toggle he does have in BFME2, which is the temporary one.

[Vithar-133]

He always had a temporary one. You must have played a mod that changed that.