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[Devon]

You'd start with sword dwarves imo. They could get axes, hammers, bows, or spears. There could also be an axe throw upgrade that you purchase from hall, and once you get it, all your dwarves can throw axes. The archery range could be replaced with a dale building.

[Myrdin]

gheez stop the stupidity of dwarven archers, they have DALE ARCHERS as the ELITE archers for this faction (dwarves), while AXETHROWERS do absolutely diferent type of dmg (sword like), sigh

but the MIU system does sound good for dwarfs

[dojob]

Settle down, Myrdin

A crappy archer (xbow would be more fitting, if we're talking gameplay) unit would be ok for the Dwarves with weak range but a decent attack and certainly strong armor (which are characteristics of a xbow) and they could perhaps have their ax throw recharge times lowered since they have the quivers and everything.

[Myrdin]

NO ARCHERS damn it.

and im settled, i write it big soo the words have enough " power ".
i could be able to close an eye, for crossbows, but no damn archers. if they gonna have dwarf archers, and then dale archers, then this mod should be called " Archers rotwk "

[Elvenlord]

Seriously, settle down. All you're doing is weaking your own postion.

What's so special about axe-throwers? As a ranged unit, it makes no sense. When you think about, it's even worse for dwarves, their short arms can't be good for throwing.
Also notice everytime Gimli threw an axe, the guy was a most 5-6 ft. away. These guys are hurling them quite aways. Does that seem logical to you?

[Scryer]

For me, Axe-Throwers bring some originality to the Dwarves. I don't see what the problem was (with Axe-Throwers) to begin with...

[mike_]

[Myrdin]

[mike_]

Sigh.

[Dalf32]

myrdin i dont understand your argument at all. it has no real basis because if we do what yoda said all the way up at the top then taht would give them 2 archer units. that is no more than any other faction. whats the problem?
the axe throw ability would just be a bonus for the uniqueness of the dwarves. axe throw ability should be pretty short range imo, so it would make sense to not give it to the archers.
and i beg to differ elvenlord, they are strong as crap, that makes up for short arm length

[myster]

according to lore the dwarves also DID use bows.. short-bows tho... since the dwarves them self are also rather short

so imo we Should get dwarven archers.. but with smaller range then most bows and higher power(probably around the same as an xbow..)

[Myrdin]

yeah right, and since when do short bow have same range as loong bows, and even higher pierce power ?
dont take me wrong, but IF you want dwarven archers, i think they should be weak enough, that though they can fullfill theyre role in early and maybe eraly mid game, you d still try to get the dale archers ( which should be better considering they use loong bows, and are tier2 unit ) who would fit mid, and late game.

[mike_]

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He said the Dwarves would use shortbows. Not longbows. They would have a shorter firing range than other bows found ingame, but to balance this out, they would be more powerful. Their only weakness should be their lack of a good firing range.
Which is sensible.

Edited by mike_, 30 June 2008 - 06:09 AM.

[Pipo]

So, what will be the differents characteritics between a axe-thowers and a Dwarves archers?
All have a weak fire range and make powerfull damages.
I love the dwarves archer concept, but I don't understand the utility. Dwarves archers exist in the Narnia's world, and they look nice !

Maybe dwarves archers can use fire, and that could differentiate the two units.

[myster]

there will be no different characteritics between them... it's just a lore wise decision and a realistic decision.. imagine walking around with 30+ axes to throw at enemies.. and then imagine walking around with 30+ arrows... i know wich one i would choose (A)

[dojob]

Actually there is a difference in the damage types; ax throwers (while at least Myrdin has said so iirc) do slash damage or something like that while archers do pierce or whatever archers do

[Uruk King]

Well other than the fact Axe-throwers are complete nonsense, could they be a skirmish unit capable if toggling melee and (short) ranged.

[dojob]

Or perhaps very fast light melee unit with an ax throw ability that has a fast recharge?

[Rafv Nin IV]

Sounds like the only difference between the archers and axethrowers would be that the archers won't own other archers, like the axethrowers do.

Yet it requires a reskinning. Personally I hope that this is low-priority, because I'd rather see Mirkwood playable than Dwarven shortbows.

[mike_]

It's nowhere near that difficult, actually. Just take the Dwarven Axethrower (yes, Firefox, put a red line under that...yes, good browser...) model and skin, adding a shortbow to it, skinning it, and then picking an animation set.
Pretty easy, besides the binding and the animating and the HOYVIN-GLAYVIN!