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[Argeleb]

I can draw some day my wierd trebuchet-idea. Maybe it's kind a strange but it's unique

[Scryer]

I can draw some day my wierd trebuchet-idea. Maybe it's kind a strange but it's unique

Show us anyways ! The best thing that your drawing could do is open up new ideas.

[Jaguar6]

Siege Crossbow is the same thing as Scorpion, I just forgot the slang name

I still like the Roman style Ballista, it is completely unique.

[{IP} Aridor]

It isn't a slang name. That was its real name.

[Jaguar6]

They are both real names, it just depends on where you live

[{IP} Aridor]

I never said they weren't.

I think that Gondor and Arnor need the scorpion. If you think about it they would have engage in much real siege warfare. Their enemies consisted mostly of huge armies. So they would need an anti-unit heavy weapon.

[Fyro11]

One faction should have it, if both were to have a treb and a scorpion, well they'd be just as terrifying in siege as Mordor itself.

[Argeleb]

Gondor should have its trebs because they use Trebs in the movie

[Fyro11]

I agree, albeit for the reason that it is so in the books, if my memory does not fail me.

[mike_]

All is said is that they have machines of siege placed along the ramparts of the City...their kind is left unsaid, though the trebuchet is pretty much synonymous with Gondor thanks to the movie's success.

[Gr1m]

All is said is that they have machines of siege placed along the ramparts of the City...their kind is left unsaid, though the trebuchet is pretty much synonymous with Gondor thanks to the movie's success.

Though, at the same time, a trebuchet is not an ideal anti-siege weapon. They were designed to bypass heavy and high walls and damage the weaker buildings within, as well as taking out defensive towers and the like by throwing the projectile higher and further - over walls or into the tallest levels of towers, etc.

More traditional, simple catapults would be more ideal for anti siege, along with ballistae or scorpions for taking on masses of clustered formations. Catapults would be able to fling either multiple smaller projectiles towards formations of troops, or larger stones at enemy siege equipment - siege towers, catapults, rams etc.

From a text-based perspective only, Minas Anor/Tirith would take up much more ground than you see in the movies - imo, they sqeezed in tiers four to eight, and those levels are hardly worth mentioning, and that takes away from the epic size the city is meant to be. With the fall of Minas Ithil, anti-siege emplacements would have ben built into the outermost wall of Minas Tirith as the realization of a very real threat in close proximity became apparent. In addition, due to the scale of the city, it would only be on this wall that these emplacements would be needed. Before and even after the fall of Minas Ithil, though, keep in mind that the number of actual devoted assaults on Gondor cities by Mordor forces was few and far between, and imo would have relied far more heavily on sheer numbers, circumstance and opportunistic attacks and simpler siege equipment - capped tree trunks as rams and the like - than is seen during the War of the Ring. Half the reason Minas Ithil was taken was because the garrison was so few in its last days under Gondorian rule, and because they had become so lax in their watch of the borders of Mordor.

So...yeah, basically what i'm saying is trebuchets, from the context given to us by the books, are a pretty poor choice of defence for Minas Tirith. Anti-infantry artillery would be far better suited to the in-universe threat at the time.

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Also, I realize this thread hasn't recieved a response in some time, but as it's a sticky, I though it should be alright. On the other hand, if i'm doing something wrong here, my apologies in advance - every board has its individual sets of rules, and it's hard to keep up on them all.

[Fyro11]

^ I actually like daring moves away from the movie in favour of the book, but I think the team prefers to keep a balance of the movies as well, though more favoured towards the books.

[Gr1m]

I'm just sayin'.

[Pasidon]

Neh... what ever happened to the catapults? Did we decide on anything?

[Dalf32]

i dont believe taht we did decide on anything, but its probably worth looking at again. i would rather not see arnor have the gondor trebuchet if at all possible.

[BMWteen]

I like the idea of a scoripion, like in AoE II.

[Argeleb]

Yeah but AOE scorpions have ugly arrows

[{IP} Aridor]

Well change the arrows.

[Argeleb]

Still, Scorpions are unit killers, not the siege unit

[{IP} Aridor]

Well that fits. Arnor never faced the need to siege. They had to deal with large amounts of enemy attackers.