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[{IP} Aridor]

The men of Numenor rarely fought on horse but instead favored heavy infantry.

[mike_]

Yes. They loved their horses too greatly to use them in warfare. Though, they did use them in sport - for mounted archery.

[Jaguar6]

Good point, but these aren't Numenorians, they are Arnorians, close, but different. I think it would be cool if Arnor had one extremely heavy cavalry, if not give them an extremely heavy infantry unit armed with pole-axes.

[{IP} Aridor]

The Arnorians are the closest to the Numenorians, plus they as well fought the same way. The heavy infantry would be using swords. They formed a shield wall and where armed with swords. To give them a pole-axe would not only be lore wrong it would simply a be copy of the fountain guards.

[Jaguar6]

When does the lore ever say that the men of Arnor used shields walls? Also, how would a pole-axe resemble a pike in any way, you hack with a pole-axe, and stab with a pike Maybe double handed swords would be better.

[mike_]

It says so in "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" chapter in "Unfinished Tales". Isildur's entourage consisted of two-hundred veteran Men of Arnor. Seeing as Isildur himself was born and raised in Numenor, as well as many of his Men, he would be taught the battle-formations and tactics of his forbears - which he was. The first thing he did when they were ambushed was ordering a large shieldwall to be formed by his troops. They did this by holding their massive shields parallel to their bodies and standing shoulder-to-shoulder. He then improvised this formation by ordering them to circle up into a large circle, as they were completely encircled by enemies.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Yeah.

One sec......I thought Arnorians were the descendants of Numenorians?
I'm probably wrong, but oh well I need to be shown folly or truth in my questions to know what must be known.
Dunedain were Arnorians too right? I already knew of Numenor's descendants in the Dunedain, but I also know (perhaps) that there were tribes of men upon Middle-Earth's primal grounds before the arrival of the Elves and such. Is that true?
Because then technically they really are the same; just one nation has a distanced bloodline, and that would support Mike's post because humans naturally follow those who teach them, and in this case, their parents, so yeah. Just throwing it in there

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Oh and sorry for the double post, but I found a bug with Arnor where whenever goblins or other units climb other my walls (playing as Arnor) they automatically take damage, and can even get destroyed if they aren't removed quickly. Has anyone else had this issue?

[Jaguar6]

It says so in "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields" chapter in "Unfinished Tales". Isildur's entourage consisted of two-hundred veteran Men of Arnor. Seeing as Isildur himself was born and raised in Numenor, as well as many of his Men, he would be taught the battle-formations and tactics of his forbears - which he was. The first thing he did when they were ambushed was ordering a large shieldwall to be formed by his troops. They did this by holding their massive shields parallel to their bodies and standing shoulder-to-shoulder. He then improvised this formation by ordering them to circle up into a large circle, as they were completely encircled by enemies.

Oh, you are right, I had forgotten about that part, I would still like to seem some sort of extremely heavy infantry though.

Yeah.

One sec......I thought Arnorians were the descendants of Numenorians?
I'm probably wrong, but oh well wink_new.gif I need to be shown folly or truth in my questions to know what must be known.
Dunedain were Arnorians too right? I already knew of Numenor's descendants in the Dunedain, but I also know (perhaps) that there were tribes of men upon Middle-Earth's primal grounds before the arrival of the Elves and such. Is that true?
Because then technically they really are the same; just one nation has a distanced bloodline, and that would support Mike's post because humans naturally follow those who teach them, and in this case, their parents, so yeah. Just throwing it in there wink_new.gif

Yes, you are correct, Arnorians were the descendants of Numenorians, so were Gondorians.

[mike_]

The Numenoreans (actually the Exiles) made two nations in Middle-earth - Arnor and Gondor. Arnor was held to be closer to Numenor because it was Elendil's realm and there were more pure-bloods there. Eventually Arnor fell and Gondor waned in power.

A 'Dunedain' was any Man of Numenorean origin. But projects and the like based on the books portray them as Northern Rangers

[{IP} Aridor]

Heavy infantry yes. Pole-axe no. The weapon the fountain guards have is much closer to a pole-axe than a pike in actuality. This would look like real bad cut and pasting. Plus it would be unique for a factions heaviest infantry to be a shield wall with swords and axes.

[Devon]

Good point, but these aren't Numenorians, they are Arnorians, close, but different. I think it would be cool if Arnor had one extremely heavy cavalry,

As in, their royal knights they have now? Their super heavy, one at a time mhh?

[Jaguar6]

I thought we were talking about removing that unit? Anyways what would Arnor's extremely heavy infantry (how about calling them Champions) use?

P.S. When I said pole-axes, I meant something like the one this guy has, it looks more like a war-hammer though...

Edited by Jaguar6, 10 November 2008 - 01:20 AM.

[Argeleb]

I think that's a halberd

[Jaguar6]

No, that is definitely a war-hammer/pole-axe. These are halberds...

Edited by Jaguar6, 10 November 2008 - 09:38 PM.

[{IP} Aridor]

That is a badly done Halberd. A halberd is a kind of Pole-axe. Pole-axe refers to a family of weapons that is any type of blade on pole. This is why the fountain guards have pole-axe. A pike is simply a very long pole with a sharped end. Pikes don't have a blade. Plus the men of Arnor fought in the Numenorian style with swords. Also war hammers are a useless weapon. Blunt force trauma doesn't have enough stopping power nor does it kill quick enough. War hammers wouldn't be on a long pole like that either, it puts the center of gravity too far from the user. A simple longsword is the best option against large hordes of mildly armored undisciplined foes.

[Jaguar6]

Well the weapon that the guy has is a war-hammer, and what is wrong with war-hammers, they are great weapons whenever I use them.
Anyways, back on subject, what should the "Chanpions" use for weapons?

[mike_]

Seeing as they'd be the best of the best soldiers, whatever the regular infantry wields - they'd just be more proficient with them.

[Argeleb]

I think pike would be cool I mean REAL pike. When there are pikemen in BFME they often have spears...

[dojob]

Alright, but we don't need another new unit of pikemen because we already have 3 spear/pike units for killing cavalry.