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#21 Devon

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 06:29 PM

mumak captain powers? hmmmm.


lvl 1 - Captain of Haradwaith - attack leadership
lvl 3 - Horn of Harad - boromir horn
lvl 4 - Mount Mumak - (starting on a mumak would be op imo.)
lvl 6 - Storms of Harad - the sucking power that angmar had in power tree and galadriel now has.
lvl 10 - Summon the charge - like flood, but with mumaks :xd:

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:43 PM

as 4 the harad captain name, i think it shuld b sumthin with u's and/or kh or gh combos (kinda lik the mongols: 'khanate', 'genghis', etc.)
u hav 2 base it off of what names we actually do have for easterlings: lik khamul, uldor, ulfang, and ulfast.

i also lik ergopad's idea of just translatin sum stuff into elvish.
also ergopad, that is all bc tolkien was a language professor, so most of it is a mishmash of rules and pronunciations from other languages.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 09:29 PM

Yup, I know he was eager language professor. And certain finnish sentence was once voted for most beautiful sentence in the world if memory serves...

Agree with you with the naming thing. Definately Kh- or Ul- begining. Yes the mongolian alike name suits perfectly to mumak chief.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 01:36 PM

Hm no, the Ul- names are more for the Easterlings - Khand and Rhun. Remember Uldor, Ulfang and Ulwarth - all were Easterlings. The Haradrim were nomadic people, living in the desert and with some jungles in the south-east. I think Tolkien put the inspiration from the North-African nomadic peoples.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 05:42 PM

Hmmm... all interesting points. One question for Rob, though. How many heroes are you going to add to Evil Men. Because when you get down to it its not hard to think of ideas. Easterling Captain, Cosair Captain, Brigand Cheif, Variag Cheif, Mumak Cheif, Serpent Lord, Even a troll-man of Far Harad! One thing I would like to see for Evil Men is to make the units different from other factions. Right now they really just have two archer lvls, 2 lvls of calvary, 2 lvls of pikemen and swordsmen, similar to the build of other factions. Maybe a 2 unit horde of club wielding Troll-Men that are good against units but not buildings, raiders of Rhovanion who can torch buildings to excellent affect and have heavy armour but have little offense against units (siege type unit), commander chariot that gives leadership bonus. There is no end to the ideas we could come up with!
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 08:28 PM

As for Evil Men heroes, I was planning on starting with 2 nazguls, 2 blue wizards, black serpent, Mumakil Chief, Easterling Captain, & the low level thief hero.

It's all subject to change, but that's the starting point. The same for the units. I just pulled what I had available to put together the units. They are similar right now to other factions, though I hope that will change in 1.05.02 with the mini-factions being implemented. You'll pretty much choose a side, and all units/buildings etc will be at their current cost/times. The other side will then cost about 50% more than current. In the later game you can purchase a power that unites the two to lower all costs, but that will most likely be a 15pp power.

I'd like to get more units/heroes for EvilMen and mix it all up. I don't mind removing some units and adding others so all of these suggestions are very appreciated.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 08:45 PM

I found a bug. I was Evil Men with a Medium Mordor ally, against a Medium Arnor and a Hard Gondor, the map was Harad.

I was in the southern point, I tried taking the southeast Inn, but I couldn't. The flag would go down, but it wouldn't go back up. I could only repair the Inn. The enemies could still retake the Inn, though, but if I tryed to retake it, it wouldn't work. I even tryed with the regular units (Haradrim Archers / Haradrim Lancers) but it wouldn't work.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 05:48 AM

Oops, for now I'll give Evil men the mordor flag so it will show. (You actually should capture the structure, you just don't have a flag).

I'm going to be doing new flags for Rohan, Arnor, & Evil Men so they have their unique flags.

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 08:04 AM

Arnor's banner carriers carry a banner with stars on it, I think.

Evil Men already have banners, I think a mix of Harad & Rhûn's symbols would be ok.

Those would be nice for those factions.

As for the Custom Heroes not being summonable for Evil Men and Rohan, perhaps you should really make them avaible to them and not to Angmar and Arnor.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 08:13 AM

Yes, those are the basis of what I was going to do for the flag on the capture inns. It's just a matter of me getting to it :D

Yes, I will be changing it to Arnor and Angmar, but it will take a HUGE amount of work so its lower on the list :p

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 03:32 PM

as to names for the heroes,if you haven't decided on any, I suggest: Hakim, Einar, Airvhan, Ohlmin, Rhêden, Ormhmyst, Ahrmin

Underline: best for Easterling
Bold: best for Haradrim

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 11:46 PM

a while ago, someone suggested renaming evil men to something else, because evil men is... well, not really a good faction name. what about men of the east?

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:30 AM

I agree with Yodawarrior, that the Evil Men should be called Men of the East. It seems more...fitting to them.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 02:15 AM

cant use Hakim, i wont b able 2 tak it seriously. just bc its an actual nam that ppl that i no hav. i lik Rheden and Ohlmin.

i lik Men of the East a lot better than Evil Men, altho i dont hav a problem w/ Evil Men. its just that Men of the East has a certain ring to it, even better than Men of the West. just think we culd b callin them MotE!

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:22 AM

hmm... Good point Dalf32. nix on hakim, now that I think on it.
Men of the East does seem to have that certain ring to it.


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Posted 20 July 2007 - 09:54 AM

Althouogh men of the east sounds better, it wouldn't make sense considering half the faction is Haradrim... And that's men of the south, eh? What of Corrupted Men?
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:01 PM

Corrupted Men sounds good, but Men of the East is more a generalization as to the direction in relation to the Free Races.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:08 PM

But the Men of the East are only about 50% of the faction...
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:19 PM

I don't think it's the fact that about 50% of the Faction are from the East, not to ignore your point, but the name Men of the East is a generalization of direction. Kind of like when we saythere are two countries to the east of us, even though one may be further south.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 05:23 PM

yeah, its kind of a counter to 'men of the west' If you look at middle earth, gondor and rohan aren't really west lol. but they are west of mordor. by the same token, the men of the east are east of their enemies and the good guys. Also, harad is in the southeast if you look at a map isnt it? I don't see why they wouldnt count as east...

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