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[Shikari]

Um...

I agree with the music change, but it's such a minor detail that it doesn't matter at the moment. But I'd like to stick with the LOTR music.... But I think that the team should feel free to explore other musical genres besides the LOTR soundtrack.

[m@tt]

If ROTWK is like BFME 1, music is separated into Good and Evil. Therefore for Harad to have it's own music, all the scripts (or at least the Evil ones) would have to be changed to faction-based. From experience, this takes a long time to understand and then do.

[Scryer]

You have a point Myrdin. I should've guessed that it could just be the player's skill but my post was done so late last night. One way to really test out if MOTE is op, would be in Multiplayer (I guess..). I don't know how the team tests if a faction is op or not but I think that multiplayer could give a certain insight to it...

One thing to keep in mind, is that MOTE is still a devloping faction (like I've been told many times ) and there is going to be a lot more to them than what they have in the latest public version (I'm assuming that's the version you're playing). They have the blue wizards (who have wicked spells by the way, one does illusions) and much more of a variety of units than other factions have (maybe not elves). I honestly think that MOTE is the most 'rounded' off evil faction than the other because you have your offensive units (Harad) and your heavier defensive units (Rhun).

[Shikari]

Well, it is fair enough that you have your own opinion, but consider this scenario:

You are attacking the AI base. The AI is spamming units again and again in the same direction, as it likes to do making it difficult for you to get near them. You have a nice siege force set up and ready to go. Would illusions not be useful here?

I think so, you could send in the wizard to fight, and send your army around the outside of the AI's troops. Then to help your hero out distracting the AI you can summon a large amount of spam troops. The AI is busy committing forces into destroying them, and completely ignores your siege, which it might over-wise have crushed.

That's probably very long winded, but what I'm trying to say is they are useful for distracting the AI, and as meatshields to protect archers/seige.

[Gothmog14]

The only problem is the AI EA made is rather stupid and just ignores units anyway.

[Devon]

I don't know if this is possible, but maybe he should significantly nerf Haradrim units (not mumakil...) and also decrease their build time. While at the same time, he could buff Rhun units and make them longer to build/more expensive. Other than this idea that I pulled out of the air, I can't think of anything mediocre to solve this problem, if it is a problem....

Harad units are weak enough right now...they can barely hold their own early game vs a brut. The only really op thing about MotE atm is the rhun archers.

[Myrdin]

actually i think they are strong not op, finally evil race with powerfull elf like archers, if you consider that Haradrim archers are useless becuse their short range and low attack speed, they ll be just ignored and replaced with haradrim guard which IS more expensive but more usefull.

soo the basic rhun archers, have low range, but fire fast as the elf ones ( the basic ones dunno name, dont play elfs too often )
soo they can stop infantry early game rushes, after getting barded arrows, poison arrows and fire arrows.

soo to make it short id say that rhun archers are balanced soo, that they can stop, slow early rush till Harad gets some units done.

and one more thing - I LOVE the Black Serpent Guard, thanks thanks thanks for adding them in the game, they have cool icon ( kinda looks like from 300 spartans ). Soo gj on this one, just want to ask . . will they get reskinned ? coz when i zoom, they are still the same model as Rohirrim, will you reskin them soo they look like they do on the Icon ? ( at least a bit ? )

[Shikari]

Yeah, they will be reskinned, (possibly even remodeled) at some stage.

[Myrdin]

cool thank you

[Myrdin]

I like the mini dragon Idea ( small dragon nest from Rhun fortress )

The small dragons work like heroes, but they die pretty quick even though they are more or less cheap ( 1000 cp dragon 800 nest ), soo i was wondering :

increase the cost of the dragons on 1500 or 2000, but make em stroner ( their especially weak against building, even though they " breath fire " soo its kinda unrealistic ), give them one more ability ( something like wizards blast, - dragon would roar and it would blast back enemies ) or make them a bit thougher.

even when i was able to lvl up dragon to lvl 5 ( which allows him to fly ) he got killed at lvl 7 and, coz no resurection i had to lvl him up again, which is pretty hard, considering, enemy uping his units, and the baby dragon being still pretty weak :(

soo make him more expensive but worth the money ( doesnt necesery need to be second Drogoth or at least let the be resurectable by fortress )

but still baby dragons . . . i like the idea, sounds cute but still dangerous " Ooo baby dragon come here little one . . . waagh my hand, my hand !!! "

[Dalf32]

i thought they were already 1500? well anyways, i dont think they die too easily, just keep them away from pikes and make sure you take out archers first when it is flying. once you get them leveled a little, they can be very strong (powers and whatnot) so i dont think they need to be changed.

[Myrdin]

i thought they were already 1500? well anyways, i dont think they die too easily, just keep them away from pikes and make sure you take out archers first when it is flying. once you get them leveled a little, they can be very strong (powers and whatnot) so i dont think they need to be changed.

keept them away is easy to say, hard to do, in the heat of battle

ok but its managable, but INCREASE the dmg against buildings, FIRE BREATHING dragon, needs to do at least a bit stronger dmg to buildings

[Dalf32]

ill agree with you there, they should do more damage against buildings, but lets not make them into siege weapons.

[Myrdin]

hmm soo lets say, they should do more dmg, than normal infantry, but less then siege

if you think about this. Heroes do fair deal of dmg, and by the same time they dont raze them with one hit ( of course now i dont speak about Morgomirs ulti )

soo do you think that those baby dragons could do at least hero like dmg ? ( those heroes at 3k like aragorn, etc )
they are clasified ( you got icon down on HUD ) as heroes, id like to see em respawnable, but ill be just ok, with increased anti building dmg

the friendly fire thing on them is annoying though

Edited by Myrdin, 03 March 2008 - 12:46 PM.

[Dalf32]

no, there are different types of damage. certain unit types to different amounts of damage to certain other types of units/buildings. so im just saying that you leave their damage against infantry the same but increase their damage to buildings a little.

[Myrdin]

EXCUSE ME ! but what did i JUST said ?! same thing sigh

[m@tt]

*brings angry mob with fire and pitchforks*

Why the hell should Rhun get dragons?! It's bad enough the other evil factions have them.

[Dalf32]

rhun already has them, and only the goblins have dragons (outside of rhun of course)...