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[Nazgûl]

- Heroes health is not health alone. They can dodge attacks, but we have no anims for it... What good is heroes if they die 50 times/hour? Just watch the movies... how many orcs did the fellowship slay without losing anyone but Boromir But I see where you're coming from. Actually, for the polishing phase (4.9-5.0) I will see if any modeler/animator would like to start such a venture - to animate dodging. Might look silly if it's not done properly... But we'll see. Maybe I'll just lower their armor/health after all
- Building will NOT be weaker though, for reasons explained in real life.
- Build times will be adjusted, but no major changes

[witchkingshour]

Well even Boromir slayed a lot of Urak-hai before he was killed. And what they didn't show in the movies was Boromir was a skilled warrior who killed many and many orcs holding Mordor at bay. But in the game he is really good. He can hold his own against many units, except eagles of course..

[Hasfusel]

Of course it counts for armor and dodging. That's why it was as it was in the vanilla game. But I think both Peter Jackson and Tolkein would have been pissed at the thought of Aragorn killing thousands of goblins without getting hurt. Especially Tolkein. They're only mortal, after all. I understand this is based on the film rather than the books/realism, but still...

I respect your choice for the buildings but I won't play the mod until it changes. It's ludicrous. You build something in a minute for 400 resources and it takes half an hour to hack it down, siege weapons or no. Besides, as you said with the heroes, when units attack a building the animation only represents their attack. In reality they'd be setting it on fire, battering the foundations with makeshift weapons, digging it up, etc.

And units take ages to kill each other, too. A good mod, but oh so very boring at times.

Edited by Hasfusel, 26 January 2009 - 05:33 PM.

[Nazgûl]

I respect your choice for the buildings but I won't play the mod until it changes. It's ludicrous. You build something in a minute for 400 resources and it takes half an hour to hack it down, siege weapons or no. Besides, as you said with the heroes, when units attack a building the animation only represents their attack. In reality they'd be setting it on fire, battering the foundations with makeshift weapons, digging it up, etc.
> That's not how I imagine it at all. There are units that use fire, such as Dunlendings. There's no need to "imagine" other units using them. If you can't see them do something, they don't. Simple as that. Heroes are the only exception to this asthere are codes for dodging as well as accuracy of attacks, such as archers... Hacking down a stone structure with swords in 5-10 seconds - THAT is ludicrous Siege units are meant for this, but we've been over this for years. No need to go into it again... =p

And units take ages to kill each other, too. A good mod, but oh so very boring at times.
> 1) this mod is not finished - it is a Beta! 2) But still, it might just not be the right mod for you.

Edited by Nazgûl, 27 January 2009 - 11:26 AM.

[witchkingshour]

This mod is def for me. I have no complaints really other than towers being a bit too powerful but other than that I enjoy. Amyway someone said give Isen and dwarves powers for flying units. I had an idea about Mordor instead of having the gay wyrm, since Mordor is losing Haradrim, how about a 15 tier power summoning 3 mumakil? And then for 10 point power have summoning or Haradrim easterlings or hardrim archers? Or possibly have them in the inn for Mordor? What you guys think?

Edited by witchkingshour, 28 January 2009 - 12:58 AM.

[Nazgûl]

I think you should post suggestions about Mordor in Mordor's topic! =p
I just plowed through almost 400 posts in this topic alone, tonight. If everyone could post correctly, I bet this topic would have been 300 posts instead and I wouldn't have to find posts that doesn't belong in certain topics, and/or read suggestions that have been given not once, twice or even ten times, but rather 20-25 times.

*marker*
(Up until here - this thread has now been checked for useful items to put into the ToDo List!)

[morsematten]

firstly, i would like to thank nazgul for replying to my question in the isengard thread. but aftermuch thought to the reply, i find that if the restriction to all the elite units should be removed.

lets look at it this way:
an elite unit takes more time and money to train. it would make more sense that elite units should be made available without restriction, because of the fact that there are better then other units. to balance the game, make elite units much more expensive, take up more CP and do not benefit from upgrades (optional). to make up for the additional cost, elite units should not have restrictions to the amount they can be built, and have special powers, much like the berserkers from isengard.

perhaps elite units can be toned down and be not as powerful as it should be, maybe stronger then a ordinary unit by 20% and weaker then a hero by 20%.

i understand that one may choose to spam elite units when there isn't any restrictions to the amount, but we shouldn't forget the fact that other factions too posseses elite units, as well as heroes so it should more or less make it a balance fight between any factions.

elites are hero killers, and this should be vice versa.

[Mordor Slayer]

And why would we want to do that ?

[morsematten]

geez, i dont know mordor slayer... why would you guys wanna do that?

[witchkingshour]

I think we should get some new powers for certain factions. I don't think Mordor should have the wrym. Maybe could replace it with summon 3 Mumakil. Isengard shouldn't have smaug and Goblins should. I don't know what to do give Isen, but a dragon doesn't fit them. I think be cool to give hero power points back like Aragorn's elendil, Gandalfs the white power point, Maybe even give one to Saruman as well. What do you guys think?

[Mordor Slayer]

geez, i dont know mordor slayer... why would you guys wanna do that?

Sarcasm much ? I mean what's the point of having a big army of elite units? That wouldn't make them elite anymore.

Edited by Mordor Slayer, 05 February 2009 - 02:11 PM.

[morsematten]

geez, i dont know mordor slayer... why would you guys wanna do that?

Sarcasm much ? I mean what's the point of having a big army of elite units? That wouldn't make them elite anymore.

there will be CP restrictions, but not the number of units one can build in a game. and sorry mordor slayer, i didn't know what you meant by " and why would we do that". i thought you were trying to be funny.

[witchkingshour]

Ok I think towers need to be nerfed mainly damage wise. And they can kill a catapult quicker than even upgraded units. I think this needs to be addressed in future betas. Siege should be able to own Towers and towers have so much range that it will kill the catapult or ent or battering ram. Make siege a little stronger vs towers and battering rams should be strong vs arrows but weak vs infantry. I mean if you look at any of the factions most have fire arrows on their towers and seeing how ents are weak to fire, almost impossible for elves to really take down that base that A.I. makes. But really all I am asking is siege is more resistant to towers and I think it be fine.

[Sûlherokhh]

Base defense is planned to include some major changes. The high damage of the towers/expansions has historically been to provide the time for some reinforcements (from barracks type buildings) before it is taken down completely and also to make sure players muster a big army before attacking a base. Mordor towers already work somewhat the way it was intended (technically), just like the harad watchtower, mannend by crew that actually fires the arrows/spears. The main obstacle has been (as always) the AI. If defense structures are automatically garrissoned with soldiers it's okay, but if you can actually kill the people on top/inside it, making the AI replace them AND pay for the replacement is a very hard task without SkirmishAI_1 scripts. Whatever is going to come, i am sure it will stand or fall with the beta testers' feedback.

[Neutron4ever]

*Erased my post and am moving it to the bug thread*

Edited by neutron4ever, 07 February 2009 - 02:55 AM.

[njm1983]

welcome to the forums! You did a good job posting here, no need to move your post. You have lots of interesting ideas. Some of the things you have posted about are being worked on. Most of your ideas are more for the polishing phase. Keep in mind 4.5 is way different than the internal beta currently among team members, so when 4.7 is released you may wanna amend you thoughts. But don't let me stop you keep coming with your thoughts.

[Mordor Slayer]

Hello and welcome to the forums! I'll answer some of your questions and leave the rest up to the team:

1) I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's not going to change. You can always change the build times for private use, or, which is more simple, just change your strategy . Once you've got 3 barracks at lvl 2-3 units keep flowing in.

2) No extra CaH options will be added and they will probably removed completely.