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[CLAlstar]

Why would people do that? Catastrophe is superior to Apoc by any means, it doesnt require you to steal anything, it's one of best T3 tanks in game, it can attack air units and can be customized later on to make it even more useful Also if confeds got Cata changed into Apoc, people would complain that "it doesnt belong to russia, where it should".

[Solais]

Still better than not having Apoc at all. This is the power of an icon, even if it makes no sense or it's not even useful, people will still want it in the game. It's like wanting to remove the Double Shotgun from a Serious Sam game, you just don't have a chance to win, have to include it nevertheless. (Despite how much you try to convince people. >.>)

 

 

I personally still like Schottkey's idea above, the Apoc being a deployable Support Power unit like the Drakuv. Making it a sort of semi-super unit.

Edited by Solais, 13 September 2016 - 12:18 PM.

[Graion Dilach]

For trivias: When the current MO system got laid out - aka the 3 subfactions having these level of differences - Confeds did started with Apocs at the T3 moster tank position. However it never synergized well enough with the other stuff the faction has, and that was the reason Catastrophe born.

Edited by Graion Dilach, 13 September 2016 - 04:11 PM.

[BlackAbsence]

IIRC, the Latin Confederation is said to rely on outdated technology, and the Apocalypse Tank became obsolescent (to Russia) due to the Tesla Cruisers efficiency, so it would make sense for LC to have Apocalypse Tanks.

 

I'll be honest, the Apocalypse feels better than the Catastrophe as a unit to me. I guess it's the nostalgia, and bad-ass look / voice / name.

But I guess their name wouldn't be as apt anymore, given the fancy new arsenals :c

Edited by BlackAbsence, 13 September 2016 - 05:41 PM.

[Mr_FakeSmile]

"Landship" for all factions, as new T3 heavy assault units. Be heroe unit or desploy for energy support.

 

Allied: Assault Destroyer or Century Bomber (RA3 units).  

Soviet: Apocalypse Tank

Epsilon: Giga Fortress "Yuri face" (RA3 units) 

Foehn: Eva Units-01 

 

RA2 Tzar Landship concept art:

 

[Mr_FakeSmile]

I like this idea 

 

 

Here are some suggestions to bring back some stolen tech infantry. mostly inspired by the Rise of the Reds mods where special infantry can be deployed only by support power, which i think makes for a good balancing mechanic for powerful non-hero infantry.

 

 

of course the Cybrog Prototypes are now "Cyborg Paratroopers" for China. 3 Cybrogs are paradropped anywhere on the map via transport plane. 

Cyborg Paratroopers. $2500. 6:00. requires Atomheart and/or Industrial Plant. Requires Power: Yes.

China, hearing the success of the Volkov and Chitzkoi series of cyborgs, have attempted to replicate cyborg technology. though unable to understand the secrets behind these advanced constructs, as well as the technology required to even replicate the portable chain Tesla cannon, have decided to go an alternate route. focusing on making mass production cyborgs using more easily available technology. which is a heavy machine gun and a Grenade Launcher equipped with micro nuke grenades. not as powerful as the legendary cyborg duo, the effectiveness of these caped, Mass Production cyborgs cannot be understated and their power is felt across the battlefield. 

Edited by Mr_FakeSmile, 13 September 2016 - 06:13 PM.

[Malekron]

What about making the Catastrophe Tank transform in to a Apocalypse Tank when support power is used on the former?

[rexx]

Why would people do that? Catastrophe is superior to Apoc by any means, it doesnt require you to steal anything, it's one of best T3 tanks in game, it can attack air units and can be customized later on to make it even more useful Also if confeds got Cata changed into Apoc, people would complain that "it doesnt belong to russia, where it should".

Well yes, I agree that catastrophe is more useful in MO than apocalypse was in game, with or without mods. I was just talking about cosmetics.  Of course it would be more fitting if the apocalypse skin was fitted to a Russian unit, but I was responding to Speeder's implicit joke (I assume it was a joke?) that he'd rather reskin catastrophe into apocalypse as opposed to adding it into the secret tech shop or the spying roster.

[lovalmidas]

In another possibility, the Latin Confederation welcomes the Mayan Empire into its coalition of nations, with expectations of a tank to end all tanks. The Mayan Apocalypse Tank will end all humanity, but the zombie one will end it.

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If anyone asks, blame the Mayans, and tell Mayans to blame the Euro Alliance for not letting them finish tuning their doomsday clock.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

I just want to see the slave miner again. That guy is great at parties.

 

The Apoc tank, I ALWAYS want to get it during matches, to complete Soviet Russia's arsenal. If it is truly statistically inferior to the catastrophe tank and other tier 3 big ass tanks, then just buff the Apoc for the new Mental Omega version, to make it truly worth the effort of getting it. OR YOUR MONEY BACK!

[Schottkey 7th Path]

Really if the Catastrophe tank outperforms the regular Apoc, then really the best was to make the Apoc tank into something special is to make it a support power. like the new Drakuv. but have it deployed from the Palace. it can be buffed into a tank worthy of the name "Apocalypse", and being a support power unit, it's long recharge time keeps the upgraded apocalypse from being spammed, so it would not obsolete the Tesla Cruiser. and wont take up precious build time on the War Factory queue. and fits the lore of Apocalypse being a reserve vehicle that is no longer produced but not retired either.

 

But if it works like that should it be Russia exclusive or available to all Soviet subfactions?

Edited by Schottkey 7th Path, 22 September 2016 - 01:16 PM.

[Solais]

And I'm still supporting this idea. Maybe make the Apoc even more OP and make it Russia's Super Unit.

[fff]

I agree! I actually had this idea myself long time ago, but forgot about it. Apocalypse Tank should be a Russian exclusive semi-epic unit (can have several) support power where it will come out of the palace OR be dropped by a large plane/helicopter, capable to drop it (though this can be op) like "tank drop". The support power will have high cost and have a long timer before you can cast it again.

 

Apocalypse tank should be a lot stronger than catastrophe , weaker than Centurion but can have several.

 

This fits Russian theme of large battalions of heavy tanks to steamroll their enemies...  come on such iconic unit only usable in campaign?...

[CLAlstar]

This fits Russian theme of large battalions of heavy tanks to steamroll their enemies

 

 

You are probably mistaking them with China. Anyway, even Wolfhounds do Apoc tank job better.

[Solais]

If they do the job of the Apoc better, then the Apoc have to be better than them as well. Make it twice the size, have it crush buildings, make it night invulnerable, a proper super-unit.

Edited by Solais, 22 September 2016 - 06:37 PM.

[Martinoz]

Forget already about Apocs

[Solais]

Yes, good idea, kill the most iconic unit of the series, I'm sure that will go over well with people. As you can see above.

[Speeder]

It might be the most iconic unit of Red Alert 2 but certainly not of Mental Omega.

[Solais]

Mental Omega is still Red Alert 2.

 

But well, if it's not coming back, then that's that then. Every C&C game's main point is the campaign anyways, so if it's in the campaign, then that's fine.

Edited by Solais, 22 September 2016 - 07:56 PM.

[Martinoz]

Mental Omega is still Red Alert 2.

 

But well, if it's not coming back, then that's that then. Every C&C game's main point is the campaign anyways, so if it's in the campaign, then that's fine.

It's so iconic in Mental Omega that you won't even build it in skirmish or mp.